What do you mean?
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I'm not sure what joela means, but I'd be interested in knowing if you use anything from Campbell's universal myth notions to try and fit various traditional mythic types into a setting.
Ilmater, in the Realms, was sort of the 'Maimed King' or 'Wounded God' archetype, for instance, while Chauntea was the archetypal Earth Mother.
I see much less of that in Golarion. Lamashtu as the only explicit fertility diety (even if Shelyn, Calistria and Erastil have some nods in that direction) makes her a bit less 'Eleusinian Mysteries' and a bit more 'Lilith, Mother of Monsters.'
I'm familiar with Campbell though I have never actually read his stuff. I just like reading about religion, mythology, and psychology, and applying that information as appropriate to various deities.
Lamashtu as the only explicit fertility diety (even if Shelyn, Calistria and Erastil have some nods in that direction) makes her a bit less 'Eleusinian Mysteries' and a bit more 'Lilith, Mother of Monsters.'
Rawr.
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I'm familiar with Campbell though I have never actually read his stuff.This needs to be remedied as soon as possible.
I read some of his Stuff in College for my Philosophy of Mythology Course to Include
The Hero with a Thousand Faces
The Masks of God (Vol 1, 3 & 4)
We had to use his ideas and create our Own Hero Mythology or Creation Mythology based on his theories. I am still proud of that A!
Random stupid anecdote: In my sophmore year of high school, I got annoyed with English classes (I blame my 10th-grade honors English teacher*) and I decided to take honors English in 11th grade instead of AP English like most of my friends. While this meant I studied Whitman and Frost, it also meant I didn't read Campbell, The Iliad, and several other things that were significant parts of the AP English curriculum. And in my senior year, I was in our senior variety show/play, written by 3 of my friends who took AP English, and the plot was that all the teachers were conspiring to flunk all the students so they'd all have to go to summer school. By the end of the year, only one kid was still passing, so his English teacher gave him an impossible homework assignment. As one of my scenes was right before that, I heard it over and over and can still recite it:
(The AP teacher was very big on "punctuation differences" between various novelists.)
*Random stupid trivia: One of the interior scenes of Attack of the Killer Tomatoes! was filmed in her living room.
I'm familiar with Campbell though I have never actually read his stuff.This needs to be remedied as soon as possible.
Meh...besides Hero and his reworking of Zimmer's stuff on Hinduism, he's not recommended by most scholars of religion. He doesn't understand Western religion at all, which is pretty funny. He's a great story-teller, so his stuff on myth is great for the imagination, not so great for understanding religion.
He's a great story-teller, so his stuff on myth is great for the imagination, not so great for understanding religion.
I read him because he helps me to understand how to craft a good story for my PCs.
Makes perfect sense to me, Lilith.
I like the Dictionary of Ancient Deities by Turner and Coulter, as well as anything by Georges Dumezil, myself.
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I'm not sure what joela means, but I'd be interested in knowing if you use anything from Campbell's universal myth notions to try and fit various traditional mythic types into a setting.
Ilmater, in the Realms, was sort of the 'Maimed King' or 'Wounded God' archetype, for instance, while Chauntea was the archetypal Earth Mother.
I see much less of that in Golarion. Lamashtu as the only explicit fertility diety (even if Shelyn, Calistria and Erastil have some nods in that direction) makes her a bit less 'Eleusinian Mysteries' and a bit more 'Lilith, Mother of Monsters.'
Where can I find a list of these Archetypes?
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I'm familiar with Campbell though I have never actually read his stuff.This needs to be remedied as soon as possible.
I worked with Last Unicorn Games back in the day. The first thing we ever released was the Aria: Canticle of the Monomyth RPG which was influenced in some ways by Campbell (as evidenced by the monomyth part of the name ;)
In fact, this was how I first became aware of Campbell. Interesting stuff!
I worked with Last Unicorn Games back in the day. The first thing we ever released was the Aria: Canticle of the Monomyth RPG which was influenced in some ways by Campbell (as evidenced by the monomyth part of the name ;)
Cool! All I have is the worlds book, and I love it.
I may have to look into some of the other resources listed here.
However, on topic, for some different [and very feminist] takes:
Cherry Gilchrist - The Circle of Nine
Caitlin and John Matthews - Ladies of the Lake
Check out the nine Ennead archetypes.
I also have a book I can't locate at this time giving these 12 heroic archetypes I've always thought might make a nice pantheon:
The Innocent: The Seeker:
The Ruler: The Orphan:
The Destroyer: The Magician:
The Warrior: The Lover:
The Sage: The Caregiver:
The Creator: The Fool:
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I also have a book I can't locate at this time giving these 12 heroic archetypes I've always thought might make a nice pantheon:
The Innocent: The Seeker:
The Ruler: The Orphan:
The Destroyer: The Magician:
The Warrior: The Lover:
The Sage: The Caregiver:
The Creator: The Fool:
Are they opposites? (i.e., why do you list them like this?)
Are they opposites? (i.e., why do you list them like this?)I also have a book I can't locate at this time giving these 12 heroic archetypes I've always thought might make a nice pantheon:
The Innocent: The Seeker:
The Ruler: The Orphan:
The Destroyer: The Magician:
The Warrior: The Lover:
The Sage: The Caregiver:
The Creator: The Fool:
Actually, because I was being lazy and copy/pasted from my notes. [sorry: blushing]
I had them listed in columns and was trying to come up with names, which would have come after the colons.
Taking the Major Arcana from the Tarot wouldn't be a bad idea either for deific archetypes.
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Cool! All I have is the worlds book, and I love it.I worked with Last Unicorn Games back in the day. The first thing we ever released was the Aria: Canticle of the Monomyth RPG which was influenced in some ways by Campbell (as evidenced by the monomyth part of the name ;)
Awesome! It is a really good book. I actually still have my ARIA Words and ARIA Roleplaying books ... they even have the Origins Awards stickers on the covers (ARIA was nominated for, I think, best new RPG that year)
Oh well, enough strolling down memory lane - back on topic :)
Taking the Major Arcana from the Tarot wouldn't be a bad idea either for deific archetypes.
Like!