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Sword, Bastard: A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.
I am making a rogue character who has taken Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) with her Combat Trick rogue talent.
Is she considered non-proficient in the bastard sword's use when wielding it two-handed? She doesn't have ANY martial weapon proficiencies, and thus it being considered a martial weapon when wielded in such a fashion doesn't really help her.
The highlighted text above uses the word "can" which makes me think that it is an option rather than a requirement, but I'm familiar with a few rules lawyers who don't think the word "can" means what I think it might in this instance.
Anyone have a clear answer on the matter?
I'd say you are proficent with the weapon and all it's uses personally athough i have no idea if thats what RAW would say
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That's an ambiguous one for sure. I think 99.999% of GM's would rule with the 2-handed wielding of a 1-handed weapon option rather than the weapon changing types when held differently. Though that qualifier is there so you can indeed use it if you only have Martial Proficiency, but as a 2-H weapon.
PRD:
If a one-handed weapon is wielded with two hands during melee combat, add 1-1/2 times the character's Strength bonus to damage rolls.
Respectfully, pointless problem.
You can use 1H weapons 2H.
Like using 2H a longsword. So...
Greetings, fellow travellers.
The part about wielding it with two hands as a martial weapon is only relevant if the character lacks the exotic weapon proficiency necessary to use it properly at all.
Exactly. With the feat EWP you are, so to speak, over-qualified for the (two handed) job.
Should be pretty clear that you are proficient in all its possible uses by taking EWP.Ruyan.
With (Exotic) Weapon Proficiency you get proficiency with the weapon, regardless if you are otherwise proficient with martial weapons or not. In the same vein Cleric with bastard sword as his deity's favored weapon can use bastard sword in two hands because he is proficient with it - having no martial weapon proficiency doesn't matter.
In my opinion, if you took EWP for a weapon, you can use it however you like.
Thank you everyone.
EWP: always confusing.
the whole deal of being able to jump over martials and go for exotics has always bothered me.
1 feat = 1 martial wep proficency
1 feat = 1 exotic wep proficency?
why get a martial then, when you can get an exotic?
bastard sword is better than longsword
dwarf axe is better than battle axe...
would you rather have a spiked chain or a heavy flail??
always seemed unbalanced to me.
seems like you should either have exotics as a class ability (as per monk, for example) OR all martial weapons should be a prereq, then have 1 feat = ALL martial and 1 feat = 1 each exotic weapon,,, thus requiring two feats for non-combat types to get an exotic weapon that didnt belong to their class?
of course, conversely Ive always felt "all martial weapons proficency" for full BAB characters was a bit much, especially for rangers, barbarians, paladins etc... If you wanted to give that to fighters ok great, but every full BAB class? wow.
anyway Ive always thought the weapon proficiency has been a mess for ages now.
EWP: always confusing.
the whole deal of being able to jump over martials and go for exotics has always bothered me.
1 feat = 1 martial wep proficency
1 feat = 1 exotic wep proficency?why get a martial then, when you can get an exotic?
bastard sword is better than longsword
dwarf axe is better than battle axe...would you rather have a spiked chain or a heavy flail??
always seemed unbalanced to me.
seems like you should either have exotics as a class ability (as per monk, for example) OR all martial weapons should be a prereq, then have 1 feat = ALL martial and 1 feat = 1 each exotic weapon,,, thus requiring two feats for non-combat types to get an exotic weapon that didnt belong to their class?
of course, conversely Ive always felt "all martial weapons proficency" for full BAB characters was a bit much, especially for rangers, barbarians, paladins etc... If you wanted to give that to fighters ok great, but every full BAB class? wow.
anyway Ive always thought the weapon proficiency has been a mess for ages now.
You could try the alternate rules for weapon groups from unearthed arcana.
A person might want to train in a martial weapon rather than an exotic one because martial weapons tend to be FAR more common (hence why the other group is referred to as exotic).
I can't tell you how often I've had players wield exotic weapons only to grow upset with their +1 whatchamacallit when their fighter comrade gets his fifth magical longsword from the most recent treasure hoard or magic item shop.
There is no martial weapon proficiency for the bastard sword. It can be used as such, yes but it is not a martial weapon. Someone who has martial weapons {melee classes} could use it as such. But the weapon is not martial.
Why would you ever take it that way when for the same feat cost you get to use it both ways?
Sword, Bastard: A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.
I am making a rogue character who has taken Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) with her Combat Trick rogue talent.
Is she considered non-proficient in the bastard sword's use when wielding it two-handed? She doesn't have ANY martial weapon proficiencies, and thus it being considered a martial weapon when wielded in such a fashion doesn't really help her.
The highlighted text above uses the word "can" which makes me think that it is an option rather than a requirement, but I'm familiar with a few rules lawyers who don't think the word "can" means what I think it might in this instance.
Anyone have a clear answer on the matter?
Strictly RAW I would say no, but RAI I would say yes. Allowing you to do something the hard way, but not the easy way just does not make sense, and I doubt any GM would hold this one against you.
Sword, Bastard: A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.
I am making a rogue character who has taken Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) with her Combat Trick rogue talent.
Is she considered non-proficient in the bastard sword's use when wielding it two-handed? She doesn't have ANY martial weapon proficiencies, and thus it being considered a martial weapon when wielded in such a fashion doesn't really help her.
Since you have taken the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat, you are proficient in the weapon both one-handed and two-handed. "Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Combat): Choose one type of exotic weapon, such as the spiked chain or whip. You understand how to use that type of exotic weapon in combat, and can utilize any special tricks or qualities that exotic weapon might allow." (Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook, pg. 123) The restriction is on characters who have not taken Exotic Weapon Proficiency but do have proficiency in all martial weapons, not the other way around.
But.. but you can use one handed weapons two handed! I don't get where the problem lies!
