Hydraulic Push - can you 'bull rush' in any direction?


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There is a player in my group that wants to use the Hydraulic Push spell from the Adv Players Guide to Bull Rush figures in any direction. He logic is that its not a ray or cone and being magic he can make it come from any direction.

My best argument otherwise is that it allows a Bull Rush and under that text Bull Rush says 'attempts to push an opponent straight back'.

You guys have any opinion on the matter?

Thanks
Wakrob


Till now I always tought it was any direction. Rereading the spell, I can't find it in the description.

So I would say that it is reasonable as a GM to rule it comes from the caster. The spell however would be a lot more fun if it comes from any direction. Remember, if you let your players do it, the villains can also do it.


Yeah, this one is wierd...
I personally feel you SHOULD be able to push in any direction, since there isn´t any ´directionality´ in the spell text itself, but per RAW I think you´re still limited to pushing them straight back. I say that because the spell IS doing a Bull Rush maneuver, without any further wording to suggest their is an exception to Bull Rush´s built in ´straight back´ rule.

Now, one could say that one can push them ´straight back´ from a point to the side, but that just makes the ´straight back´ wording mean absolutely nothing... So I think ´straight back FROM YOU´ should still apply here. Note that Creatures with Reach / Reach Weapons can easily threaten all squares including to the sides of a target, but I don´t belive they have the abilty to push them ´straight back´ from one one of those squares, Bull Rush means straight back from your own position... I don´t see anything in the spell that changes that.

One thing: ´straight back´ doesn´t always mean into 1 square and 1 square only... If ´straight back´ doesn´t correspond exactly to 90/45 angles (most often when reach is involved and/or size category is different) then there can be MULTIPLE squares they can end up in (because angles other than 90/45 can ´jag´ at arbitrary points).

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