| Sentro |
Hi,
a question about a cavalier challenging a enemy:
When a cavalier challenges a enemy, does the enemy have to answer to the challenge? or is the enemy challenged anyway?
In some cases (like hitting another knight with the glove to challenge, the other one has to respond to the challenge, a somewhat classical approach and only usable in very specific situations)
Personally i would see it more like this:
recalling a scene in 'first knight' (just as an example) where the hero (lancelot) challenges the enemy (malligant) without words and continues to move pushing and fighting through a bunch of people to get to the enemy there is clearly a similar form as i would believe the system intends to work.
thanks!
| Sentro |
It functions however you like; the mechanics are merely called "Challenge", but you can flavor it any way you wish.
:-)
first, thanks for answering me.When i would be the DM in that game i could. But... i am not.
It made me wonder about how usefull the challenge would be. In this particular case the DM ruled that the enemy would probably not care to answer the challenge (bieng a big dumb hulk kind of figure 'me smash all ba bla'. (and not answering the challenge ment therefore mitigating the effect of a challenge)
It just made me think... If i could only challenge honorable men... then i would not have much use of a challenge.
| kyrt-ryder |
Kilbourne wrote:It functions however you like; the mechanics are merely called "Challenge", but you can flavor it any way you wish.:-)
first, thanks for answering me.When i would be the DM in that game i could. But... i am not.
It made me wonder about how usefull the challenge would be. In this particular case the DM ruled that the enemy would probably not care to answer the challenge (bieng a big dumb hulk kind of figure 'me smash all ba bla'. (and not answering the challenge ment therefore mitigating the effect of a challenge)It just made me think... If i could only challenge honorable men... then i would not have much use of a challenge.
Perhaps you should refer your GM to some of the tales of various knights? Often in the lore they challenge dragons, or hulking brutes, or dispicable scumbags that would never 'answer the challenge' so to speak.
"Prepare to die, foul beast!" or whatever. A 'challenge' isn't 'challenging' someone to a duel, it's committing yourself to defeating them.
| Evil Space Mantis RPG Superstar 2011 Top 8 |
It functions however you like; the mechanics are merely called "Challenge", but you can flavor it any way you wish.
For clarity:
The FLAVOR is however you like. The mechanics are exactly as it is stated in the Cavalier entry. I think you and I mean the same thing, but the use of "function" there was a bit vague.
The Cavalier's decision to focus on the enemy is what grants the damage bonus (and AC penalty to any other opponent) NOT the opponent answering the challenge in some way.
Forcing the opponent to decide to accept the Challenge or not makes zero mechanical sense. Think about it, your opponents choices are A) accept the challenge and take more damage or B) refuse the challenge and... cause the Cavalier to waste a use of his class ability for the day?
In support of this viewpoint of the effect coming from the Cavalier entirely and not some interaction between Challenger and Challengee: it says nothing about having to Challenge an intelligent foe. You can Challenge mindless undead, animals, things that don't speak your language, whatever.
EDIT: Totally ninja'd by kurt-ryder! Who managed to make my point much more succinctly.
| Kilbourne |
Kilbourne wrote:It functions however you like; the mechanics are merely called "Challenge", but you can flavor it any way you wish.For clarity:
The FLAVOR is however you like. The mechanics are exactly as it is stated in the Cavalier entry. I think you and I mean the same thing, but the use of "function" there was a bit vague.
Yes, I agree.