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So I've been working through a Lion Shaman for a friend of mine. The archetype gets the ability to do all sorts of things assuming that the target is "feline". This extends not only to animals, but also to magical beasts.
So the question is: Is the lion bodied, one (of three) lion headed Chimera a feline? This is an interesting question because it would technically be permitted under the shapeshift rules even at level 6. Inquiring minds want to get opinions.
Makes sense. A griffin is also half lion so would be a valid target, as would a sphinx, leonine lamias, and several other creatures.
If someone had an unusual item which gave power over goats it would also work with a chimera.
So I've been working through a Lion Shaman for a friend of mine. The archetype gets the ability to do all sorts of things assuming that the target is "feline". This extends not only to animals, but also to magical beasts.
So the question is: Is the lion bodied, one (of three) lion headed Chimera a feline? This is an interesting question because it would technically be permitted under the shapeshift rules even at level 6. Inquiring minds want to get opinions.
It certainly looks feline doesnt it? The only concern I'd have is the alignment restriction on summons (its CE) or does that only concern clerics?
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It certainly looks feline doesnt it? The only concern I'd have is the alignment restriction on summons (its CE) or does that only concern clerics?
Clerics only and we're talking about wildshape, not summons.
One thing of note I just realized. It's large, and Beast Shape III doesn't permit large magical beasts, so it's technically out.
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So I've been working through a Lion Shaman for a friend of mine. The archetype gets the ability to do all sorts of things assuming that the target is "feline". This extends not only to animals, but also to magical beasts.
So the question is: Is the lion bodied, one (of three) lion headed Chimera a feline? This is an interesting question because it would technically be permitted under the shapeshift rules even at level 6. Inquiring minds want to get opinions.
If the ability specifically says it extends to magical beasts, then yes, it would apply to things that are lion-shaped. What's lion shaped? Your GM gets to make that decision.
If I were your GM, I would absolutely rule that a chimera is "feline."
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So I've been working through a Lion Shaman for a friend of mine. The archetype gets the ability to do all sorts of things assuming that the target is "feline". This extends not only to animals, but also to magical beasts. So the question is: Is the lion bodied, one (of three) lion headed Chimera a feline? This is an interesting question because it would technically be permitted under the shapeshift rules even at level 6. Inquiring minds want to get opinions.
Partly, but not exclusively. The archetype might affect a chimera if, and to the extent that, a standard druid's abilities or the listed spell effects could affect a 9 HD magical beast of Int 4.
Sadly, I don't think any of the archetype's abilities qualify. Wild empathy only works on magical beasts of Int 1-2. Speak with animals doesn't work on magical beasts. Summon nature's ally doesn't include chimera as an option (no reason it couldn't, considering it can summon a manticore - and that, by the way, should work with the archetype - chimera is just not on the list). A druid can't wild shape into a magical beast.
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Partly, but not exclusively. The archetype might affect a chimera if, and to the extent that, a standard druid's abilities or the listed spell effects could affect a 9 HD magical beast of Int 4. Sadly, I don't think any of the archetype's abilities qualify. Wild empathy only works on magical beasts of Int 1-2. Speak with animals doesn't work on magical beasts. Summon nature's ally doesn't include chimera as an option. A druid can't wild shape into a magical beast.
And this is a fair assessment I think. The one I'm most curious about though is other "felines" on the summon lists, as there could be something that falls into the half-feline category (which I don't know off the top of my head). It was an interesting thought though.
Is it a Feline
Chimera = If it has the Head and body of a lion, = I would say Yes.
Chimera = If it had the body of a goat, = I would say No.
Lamia = Body but no Head = I would say NO.
Manticore = Body and head of lion = I would say Yes.
Rakshasa = Head of a tiger, but human body = I would say NO.
Griffon = Head of eagle, back body of a lion = I would say NO.
(since head, front part of body, and wings... would classify it as bird/eagle tho).
Anyway, that how i look at it.
It certainly looks feline doesnt it? The only concern I'd have is the alignment restriction on summons (its CE) or does that only concern clerics?Clerics only and we're talking about wildshape, not summons.
One thing of note I just realized. It's large, and Beast Shape III doesn't permit large magical beasts, so it's technically out.
Beast Shape III does let you Magical Beast shape BUT WILDSHAPE does not. It only let you take Animal forms.