Monsters not getting iterative attacks?


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I noticed something today when I leafed through my copy of 'Misfit Monsters Redeemed'... namely that monsters do not seem to get iterative attacks for natural weapons, even though their BAB would higher than +6. I checked my Bestiary to see if it was a "glitch", but no -- apparently monsters only benefit from high BAB if they use weapons.

Has it been always been this way in 3E and for some reason I just haven't noticed it? Or did PF RPG change this to balance higher attack bonuses with multiple natural weapons? If so, how come monsters with only one natural attack (Lurking Rays, for example) do not gain anything to compensate for this?

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It's always been that way in 3.X based games.

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Yup; iterative attacks are intended to benefit people who use manufactured weapons (PCs); monsters who want lots of attacks instead just get lots of arms or tentacles or whatever.


James Jacobs wrote:
Yup; iterative attacks are intended to benefit people who use manufactured weapons (PCs); monsters who want lots of attacks instead just get lots of arms or tentacles or whatever.

Just to be sure: Doesn't everyone get iterative attacks with unarmed attacks too?

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Thanks, guys! I'm just a bit biffled about why I've never noticed this before...

Although it does seem a bit unfair when some monsters -- such as the poor, poor Lurker Above -- only get a single attack (to tendrils or arms).

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stringburka wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Yup; iterative attacks are intended to benefit people who use manufactured weapons (PCs); monsters who want lots of attacks instead just get lots of arms or tentacles or whatever.
Just to be sure: Doesn't everyone get iterative attacks with unarmed attacks too?

Unarmed attacks are NOT natural attacks, though. That's why they appear on the list of weapons in the core rulebook. They do get iterative attacks.

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Asgetrion wrote:

Thanks, guys! I'm just a bit biffled about why I've never noticed this before...

Although it does seem a bit unfair when some monsters -- such as the poor, poor Lurker Above -- only get a single attack (to tendrils or arms).

The lurker above may only get one attack, but he does a LOT of damage with that one attack. Monsters are all designed so that their average damage per round, whether it be from one attack or a dozen attacks, is close to what that CR of monster expects them to be doing, damage-wise.

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