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Had a friend reference hard copy 3.5 PHB. Information regarding tent and its specifics is also none existent. Where in the hell did I get the belief that a tent from core books/phb holds two people. Has the system been like this since AD&D
Referencing both SRD and PDF's ...
The core book tent is 10 gp, and 20 lbs.
It doesn't have information on how many people it holds, but I assume it's two medium size characters
The fan based srd using the adventurers armor
has...
Tent (small) 10 gp 15 lbs.1
Tent (medium) 15 gp 20 lbs.
Tent (large) 30 gp 40 lbs.
Tent (pavilion) 100 gp 50 lbs.
The medium tent cost increases to 15 gp
The medium tent doesn't list how many it holds
the small is listed as one, the large, as four
the pavilion as 20
in the adventurers armory pdf...
it only states that the tents can hold between 1 and 10 people, and the pavilion tent is large enough for a fire pit in the middle.
What in the heck is going on here... What entries are correct and where is the missing information!?
I'm going to guess the fan srd has it wrong with the 20 people, and it should rather be 10.
I'm obsessing... someone smack me. Seriously though, although this is a very small problem and can be solved with a simple homebrew fix...
Why does this error even exist!?! It's.... retarded ><
1, 2, 4, 10. Medium Size Tent Holds...
Cost 15 gp. (Meaning FAN SRD is in error for pavillion tent) and in addition..
ALL SRDs..
even 3.5 hypertext srd ARE MISSING, this includes ALL PATHFINDER PDF's and Erratas... ANY information stating that a tent holds two people.
Thus a new player would assume that the 10 gp, 20 lb tent holds ONE Medium Size Character.. .When in fact it holds 2 >.> (SUPPOSEDLY) Where the heck is the information on this....
????? says (8:56 PM)
Maybe Gygas simply wished it not to have a number attached to it
Mr. Gary Gygax
Eyolf says (8:56 PM)
<.<
Eyolf says (8:57 PM)
He's an evil plotting genius....
????? says (8:57 PM)
Even in death, he mocks you
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Damn it Gary!
????? says (8:58 PM)
Want my advice?
Or would you like my knowledge?
Eyolf says (8:59 PM)
Both!
<.<
????? says (9:00 PM)
Knowledge: F%%*ed if I know
Advice: See Rule 0
Also, slap yourself for micromanagement
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Information on how many folks can comfortably fit in a tent was something we just didn't have room to put into the Core Ruleboook; this happened to a LOT of stuff among the equipment chapter, alas. Fortunately, tents are common real-world objects and as such are relatively easy to figure out capacities for.
My suggestion: go with the values that make the most sense for the GM.
My preference: The 10 gp tent from the Core Rulebook is a 1-person tent.
Beyond the Core rules and looking at Adventurer's Armory:
Small tent: 1 Medium creature
Medium tent: 2 Medium creatures
Large tent: 4 Medium creatures (this would be the standard "Let's get a tent for the whole party!")
Pavilion tent: 10 Medium creatures.
If you're a player, though, the right answer is "What the GM prefers."
EDIT: Just checked the Advanced Player's Guide, and exacting in-print rules for tents are all right there on page 183. They're pretty much the same as my rulings above.
See now... albeit that the time periods and materials used are vastly different (I would assume). Your preference although greatly appreciated and simple.
Confounds me. My friend stated that he once had a 20 lb tent which fit 4-5 people comfortably. >.>
In addition.. Another confounding thing..
Doesn't the armory list the pavilion as 10 creatures? Then why do you choose 12 instead? I am curious now of this.
Obviously this comes down to me making the rule on the tents, which I'll have to..
I'm just so amazingly surprised that after years of playing... I never noticed this.. and in addition... It's been like this since AT LEAST 3.5... I'm so curious if it was like this back in AD&D. ><
I hope that some are enjoying the amusement I can bring, at least with those two posts prior to yours James.
By the way.. I am so very thankful of your response. You and the others at Paizo are very amazing and I thank you for Pathfinder
You guys/girls rock!
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Doesn't the armory list the pavilion as 10 creatures? Then why do you choose 12 instead? I am curious now of this.
As you can see from my edited post, I did indeed change the pavilion to 10 creatures after I noticed in the APG that said number was listed.
I arrived at 12 creatures because that number equals three groups of 4 adventuring parties. It was an arbitrary choice, although obviously one fueled by logic.
Awh alright. Yes... logic. Something that I wish I had years back so that I never arrived at this point of belief for 2 person tents.
Oh well. I'll be using your recommended 1 person from now on. Thank you once more.
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My friend stated that he once had a 20 lb tent which fit 4-5 people comfortably.
So I don't have anything salient to add on any of you other points, but is your friend's 20 pound tent made of modern materials?
Nylon and aluminum are a whole lot lighter than canvas and wood. When I've put up pavilion sized canvas tents, the stakes themselves (iron, 18-24 inches long) weighed more than 20 pounds a set. Plus you need a hammer. And the canvas just gets ridiculous. On a wet day, things become very sad.
Hence why I stated this before that sentence.
See now... albeit that the time periods and materials used are vastly different (I would assume). Your preference although greatly appreciated and simple.
Yes they were of modern material. However now with your information I have been educated further. I thank you.
O.O TEACH ME MORE! >.> I desire to know of the winter tents >.>
O.O TEACH ME MORE! >.> I desire to know of the winter tents >.>
The major difference between a 3 and 4 season tent is the ability to support the additional weight of snow on top. Tents aren't designed to be insulated and very few cold weather cultures made well insulated tents. While a pavilion size tent will have space for a fire pit, the majority of insulation will be blankets and clothes.
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Just a guess, but the fan-based SRD you consulted that gave a pavilion's capacity as 20 may represent a max capacity under the assumption that said pavilion does not have a fire pit under it. The armory says it is big enough to fit a fire pit, but obviously if you don't put a fire pit under it, it will fit more people. I'm assuming, of course, that the 10 mentioned in the armory is with the fire pit (or other similar sized contraption, like dinner tables, etc.).