Where does it say you have to multiclass in order to gain the benefits of this arcana?
No where in the wording does it say you must actually take the class to cast the spells from its spell list...The magus can use his spellstrike and spell combat
abilities while casting or using spells from the spell list
of that class.
Yes it does. In the magic section of the core rules.
That ability does nothing for your ability to cast spells at all. It only broadens your spellstrike and spell combat abilities to work for non-magus spells that you cast.
Where does it say you have to multiclass in order to gain the benefits of this arcana?
No where in the wording does it say you must actually take the class to cast the spells from its spell list...The magus can use his spellstrike and spell combat
abilities while casting or using spells from the spell list
of that class.Yes it does. In the magic section of the core rules.
That ability does nothing for your ability to cast spells at all. It only broadens your spellstrike and spell combat abilities to work for non-magus spells that you cast.
Show me ANY other core class ability from ANY core class that ONLY works for a multi-class.
As you interpret it, it is an OK ability for a prestige class, but not a core class.
He wasn't arguing the appropriateness of it, just mechanicly that's what it means. Jason has confirmed this in the Magus playtest forum.
It's meant for multi-class Magi.
Yes it does. In the magic section of the core rules.That ability does nothing for your ability to cast spells at all. It only broadens your spellstrike and spell combat abilities to work for non-magus spells that you cast.
Show me ANY other core class ability from ANY core class that ONLY works for a multi-class.
As you interpret it, it is an OK ability for a prestige class, but not a core class.
Yes, it's weird, but many of the APG classes had some weird stuff going for them too (summoner, glaring at you). That doesn't change that the ability can only be interpreted as such. It says nothing of allowing you to cast anything else.
And I'm not sure it only works for multiclass characters. There's traits that allow casting of other spells as spell-like abilities (which are considered spells for this purpose unless otherwise noted), and I'm unsure if casting spells from scrolls with UMD is considered "casting". And in UM, maybe there's feats that allow casting of higher level spells from a list of your choice.
Ok Dark Sorcerer -- show me where it says he can cast spells of another class without taking levels in that class.
The ability only states that he can use his abilities when casting spells of that class -- no where in the ability does it state it grants him access to those spells in the first place.
Without being granted access the only way to get access is to multiclass.
Without being granted access the only way to get access is to multiclass.
Or Scrolls, or Wands or Imbue with Spell Ability.
Could a Magus UMD a scroll of Harm and Spellstrike using Broad Study?
Could a Cleric Imbue a Magus with Bless, then the Magus cast it using Spell Combat?
Without being granted access the only way to get access is to multiclass.Or Scrolls, or Wands or Imbue with Spell Ability.
Could a Magus UMD a scroll of Harm and Spellstrike using Broad Study?
Could a Cleric Imbue a Magus with Bless, then the Magus cast it using Spell Combat?
Wands specifically won't work -- you are not casting a spell.
Scrolls would work however because of the following line:
A spell successfully activated from a scroll works exactly like a spell prepared and cast the normal way.
The imbue with spell ability would work too since the Magus actually casts the spell in this case (though the spells available are extremely limited).
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I thought Wizards could put stuff in a magus' spellbook.
Having something in a spellbook doesn't allow one to cast said spell, because to cast one must memorize a spell from a spellbook in a spell slot and which slot used depends on where the spell lands in your class spell list. If it doesn't appear on your class spell list, you can't cast the spell with that class even if it exists in that class's spellbook.