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This may need to go in the General Rules Section but I specifically want to know for Society so I'm asking here.
The Ancestral Arms alternative racial trait from the Advanced Players Guide allows Half-Elves to gain a martial or exotic weapon proficiency. Does this trait allow a character to bypass the BaB +1 requirement on Exotic Weapon Proficiency?
This is really a rules question, not a PFS question.
I asked the same thing a while back and Jason Nelson (who worked on the book) said he thought you wouldn't need to meet the prerequisite.
Deathboy -- humans get a bonus feat as a racial ability as well, but that doesn't mean that they can ignore prerequisites.
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Yes, for three reasons:
- You choose traits when you create a character, so if it required +1 BAB, only a half-elf fighter or a character created at higher than first level could take it,
- The half-elf is not taking (and doesn't receive) the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat, so he doesn't have to meet the feat's prerequisite,
- Compare monks and rogues, who get proficiency with various exotic weapons at +0 BAB. Clearly proficiency with an exotic weapon, in itself, doesn't require a minimum BAB.
The half-elf is not taking (and doesn't receive) the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat, so he doesn't have to meet the feat's prerequisite.
Er....what?
Ancestral Arms: Some half-elves receive training in an unusual weapon. Half-elves with this racial trait receive Exotic Weapon Proficiency or Martial Weapon Proficiency with one weapon as a bonus Feat at 1st level. This racial trait replaces the adaptability racial trait.
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The half-elf is not taking (and doesn't receive) the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat, so he doesn't have to meet the feat's prerequisite.Er....what?
Ancestral Arms: Some half-elves receive training in an unusual weapon. Half-elves with this racial trait receive Exotic Weapon Proficiency or Martial Weapon Proficiency with one weapon as a bonus Feat at 1st level. This racial trait replaces the adaptability racial trait.
My mistake, didn't read the original text.
I'm disappointed to see this. Especially since it's for elves. A trait should not be equal to a feat and there was no need to write it that way.
I agree it would have been much more clear if they just said something like "half-elves get proficiency with one weapon, etc.".
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I'm disappointed to see this. Especially since it's for elves. A trait should not be equal to a feat and there was no need to write it that way.
Don't think of it like the two little traits you take when you make your character. It's actually a racial feature that is being replaced. This one actually replaces a bonus feat that half elves get - Skill Focus - at first level. So you are just replacing one feat with another.
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receive Exotic Weapon Proficiency or Martial Weapon Proficiency with one weapon as a bonus Feat at 1st level.
While this has been (apparently) answered by Jason, even if not the character would receive the feat. While his BAB is +0 he wouldn't be able to use the feat, but he would have the feat. Jason's change would have been to allow you to ignore the pre-reqs.
In other words, if you have the feat that doesn't mean you can use the feat.