sawtooth sabre is a heavy blade?

[the_hulk]

I have a fighter that uses a sawtooth sabre and I wanted to know where it would classify if i was a corebook fighter.
my thought for heavy blade was that it functions like a longsword if you are not proficient.
Blades, Heavy: bastard sword, elven curve blade, falchion, greatsword, longsword, scimitar, scythe, and two-bladed sword. - core book
Sawtooth Sabre: This is the signature weapon of the
notorious Red Mantis. A proficient user can treat a sawtooth
sabre as a light weapon; otherwise, treat it as a longsword. - advenurer's armory

[the_hulk]

surely your proficiency wouldn't force it out of this class. and no, i dont want to be a mobile fighter if anyone asks

[Trout]

I feel you could argue for it either way.

It is a light weapon (only weighing 2 lbs) but mechanically is treated as a longsword when you don't have proficiencies.

Maybe others can provide more insight or a firm ruling, but I'd say it's up to your GM to decide.

Generally speaking I don't think any amount of proficiency with a weapon should confer indirect penalties. (Such as causing its official listing to become "Blades, Light" when you have invested Weapon training with Blades, Heavy.)
But RAW that may be the way the cookie crumbles.

[SmiloDan]

Can't it be considered both? And you can choose the most advantageous bonus for yourself? For example, throwing axes are both throwing weapons and axe-like weapons.

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I'm all verklempt. Give me a moment. I'll give you a topic. Throwing axes are both throwing weapons and axe-like weapons. Discuss!

[Skylancer4]

Trout wrote:

I feel you could argue for it either way.

It is a light weapon (only weighing 2 lbs) but mechanically is treated as a longsword when you don't have proficiencies.

Maybe others can provide more insight or a firm ruling, but I'd say it's up to your GM to decide.

Generally speaking I don't think any amount of proficiency with a weapon should confer indirect penalties. (Such as causing its official listing to become "Blades, Light" when you have invested Weapon training with Blades, Heavy.)
But RAW that may be the way the cookie crumbles.

By RAW it would in fact change because the weapon description says it does. If you were planning on using it why wouldn't you take weapon training with light blades?? You know ahead of time that it will be light once you've trained with the exotic weapon proficiency so short of taking heavy blades as the short term bonus why wouldn't you take the light weapon set? You could easily have taken EWP at first level so in essence making a poor choice doesn't justify the complaint that you aren't getting the bonus from heavy blades. That is like complaining about a feat choice that you made at 1st level because you decided at 5th to take a different feat chain that doesn't benefit from the first feat. What it comes down to is possible poor planning and choosing to get a short term bonus over the long term benefits provided.

As for indirect penalties, being bumped to light is a direct bonus. Fewer penalties for TWF is no small help especially if you're dual wielding them.

[the_hulk]

no poor choice was made on my part. i do have ewp with twf and i also use a greatsword on a charge. hence the desire for heavy blades working. I see your point about it being a light weapon. it states that a user CAN treat it as a light weapon and since i am using two of them i have to use it as such with my off hand. so does that mean if i took heavy weapons i could treat it as a heavy in my primary? This is a PFS guy so i am eager for a definitive answer to this. another point towards heavy though is that a two-bladed sword is considered heavy, and all i am doing is cutting it in two, mechanically only benefiting from the fact that if i am disarmed, i still am holding one. same damage, crit range and damage type.

[YuenglingDragon]

I'd be willing to call it a heavy blade. If an Elven Curve Blade, a finessable weapon, counts and the thing is basically a longsword it fits the Heavy Blade category well enough.

EWP doesn't change the weapon at all suddenly making it lighter. It just changes in some way how the user is wielding it but I don't think that should stop Weapon Training from working.

[James Jacobs]

It's a light blade. Even when used as a longsword, it's INTENDED to be used with the exotic weapon proficiency with a style that fits light blades better than heavy blades.