| Heaven's Agent |
While it functions like a disease it is in fact a curse. Remove disease works if cast with in 3 days and by at lest a 12th level cleric, but not after.
It mimics a disease, but is not a disease. Its a curse that is damned hard to break.
Yup, not even a debate for this one. Lycanthropy is defined as a curse on page 557 of the Core Rule Book.
| InsideOwt |
Why is it spread through a bite? Is the bite the component that is needed to share the curse or is the curse in the genetic information of the afflicted one?
Can you actually curse someone with lycanthropy (without being a lycanthrope yourself and biting them)? If you cannot I would have to lean toward magical disease and suggest page 557 of the CR be revised for future editions.
| seekerofshadowlight |
what does it matter how many ways you can spread the curse? Some diseases can only be spread a few ways. But this is simply not a disease. It spreads its curse as your reward for not being eaten,
And I do know of at lest one magic item that curses you with it as well and used to be a few spells. But really how many ways it spreads or what can inflict it does not make it a curse or disease, what it does and how it acts does.
A disease does not stop for 30 or so days then start back. It is effecting you or gone, one or the other once it goes active it does not stop.
A lycanthrope bleeding on your does not spread it, one having sex with you does not spread it, biting you in human form does not spread it. The curse only spreads if bitten in animal or hybrid form.
It simply is not a disease, it merely mimics one in some ways.
| KaeYoss |
Why is it spread through a bite? Is the bite the component that is needed to share the curse or is the curse in the genetic information of the afflicted one?
It's like that because it is like that. The reason is simply: It's magic.
We're talking about something that makes you turn into a wolf. And back. In seconds. If the fact that it's a curse even though you think it should be a disease is what jumps out at you the most, you seem used to some pretty weird stuff. Please tell me where you live so I can avoid moving there at all costs!
:P
| InsideOwt |
InsideOwt wrote:Why is it spread through a bite? Is the bite the component that is needed to share the curse or is the curse in the genetic information of the afflicted one?It's like that because it is like that. The reason is simply: It's magic.
I suppose this explaination is as good as any. It just is because it is.
However, the 'curse' is not only spread through a bite but can also be passed to offspring who are born into the world as a natural lycanthrope.
I suppose it is up to the DM to deal with the logistics, or lack of logisitics, of lycanthrope in their game.
No matter if it is a curse or magical disease, in the end it is a template. :D
| seekerofshadowlight |
Ya just trying to figure how to run with it and if there were any rules on it or on naturaly passing on lycanthropy :)
Children born to lycanthrops are natural lycanthropes. It does not matter what type the parent was infected or natural the child is a natural lycanthrope. Sins of the parents and all that.
| Kryzbyn |
Shizvestus wrote:Ya just trying to figure how to run with it and if there were any rules on it or on naturaly passing on lycanthropy :)Children born to lycanthrops are natural lycanthropes. It does not matter what type the parent was infected or natural the child is a natural lycanthrope. Sins of the parents and all that.
I remember there being a definate distinction though, as natural lycanthropes were able to control when and where they shifted, where as a cursed person only does so on a full moon with a failed will save. Did PFRPG keep this?
| KaeYoss |
I suppose this explaination is as good as any. It just is because it is.
It's not the be all end all explanation. But the thing about make-belief fantasy settings with all kinds of magic and, not to put too fine a point on it, unreal things in it, don't always play by the rules. Or by all rules. There might not be a definite rule for everything. Sometimes, things apparently don't fit. They don't make sense.
It's a lot like life that way. You can put up all those rules about life, how mammals don't lay eggs or are venomous.
And then comes the platypus. It's like an otter, and it is a mammal, but it's got poison. And it lays eggs.
Sometimes life just says "screw the rules".
So do fantasy worlds. Those seeming nonsense parts where something spreads like a disease but is really a curse make it more believable, because that makes them more like life and less like a game, where everything makes sense because it is supposed to because there are the rules and they are the rules and this is a game and you play it by the rules.
Where was I?
Ah, yes, the horrible were-platypus. Half man, and one half spread between duck, otter, and snake. And maybe more, depending on how you look at it.
Therianthropes was never more terrifying, or, frankly, bewildering.
Thank evolution they only exist on Sarusan.
| seekerofshadowlight |
I remember there being a definate distinction though, as natural lycanthropes were able to control when and where they shifted, where as a cursed person only does so on a full moon with a failed will save. Did PFRPG keep this?
It is still there, but does not change that a child of either type is born natural. It is what they are when they are born. They are not afflicted but born that way.
Which is the definition of a natural lycanthrope.