| drbuzzard |
OK, I think I'm a bit fuzzy on the rules here.
I've got a summoner with a bipedal Eidolon at 1st level. They have the stat boosting evolution for strength.
So with the 1 BAB and the 18 Str, it has a +5 to hit for melee.
So what is the attack bonus for the claws? Is it +5 for just one claw, or can it use both at +5? If there is a penalty for using both, what is the attack bonus?
I am even further confused by multi-attack being a bonus feat later. Assuming there is no penalty I imagine this means you need to take additional attacks for the feat to do anything.
| Mojorat |
Some of the eidolons attacks are primary attacks band some are secondary attacks.
Secondly natural attacks like claws come in groups.
So the claws are a primary attack and grouped together. Both attack at + 5.
The multi attack feet later on is used when youbhave secondary attacks or if you start to use manufactured weapons
Austin Morgan
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Claws are primary, so you do not take a penalty normally while using them. As a Standard Action you can attack with one claw for +5. As a Full Attack action you can attack claw/claw for +5 on both.
If it has three or more natural attacks, it gains Multi-attack which lowers the penalty for secondary attacks. Having only claws (and/or bites, gores, etc), it does not have any secondary attacks, thus gains no benefit (until it gets secondary attacks).
If it has less than three natural attacks (like just having a set of claws), then it gains an extra attack with one of them at a -5 penalty.
So, gaining that ability as your Eidolon is now, he would have claw/claw/claw at +5/+5/+0.
| james maissen |
Ok, thanks. I thought it was that way but just wasn't sure. So if I picked up a bite or something, I would use the multi-attack.
The other thing multi-attack is good for is when your eidolon elects to use a manufactured weapon as all the remaining natural attacks all become secondary attacks.
-James
Thalin
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The only real use of multi-attack is if you want secondaries on your guy, or if you want to wield a weapon while attacking. At level 9 you can, for instance, wing buffet without taking a penalty, or grow tentacles (or earlier if you burn a feat but this is rarely worthwhile).
As long as an attack is "primary", you get full attack bonus and Str to damage
| Tanis |
Bomanz wrote:The Eidolan evolution "REND". Is that a secondary attack? So, if I have claws hitting at +5/+5, where does the rend fit in?Rend isn't really a natural attack. There's no attack roll involved. It's just extra damage if you hit with both claws.
Sidenote: and as such does not apply extra damage from critical hits or Power Attack.