could a character pick MT for the caster level advancment in EK gaining 9 levels of cleric and 9 levels wiz/sorc with 10 levels of EK it seems to too be ok rulse wise and would be very versitle but not really great at anything and be really reall MAD
No. MT doesn't give a caster progression. It advances existing progressions, like EK. Furthermore an EK specifically only advances arcane spellcasting. A Cleric or other divine caster could not take EK.
I agree with Quantum Steve,
The MT gives you Caster Levels in an existing class, not Prestige classes.
Furthermore gaining +1CL as EK is the same as gaining +1CL as Wizard or Sorcerer (i.e.), so no advantage here.
Where does it say that it must be a base class it simply says an arcain casting class witch the MT is?
If a charater wants to be wiz 3/clr 3/MT 2/EK X he is alowed but the question is why cant he take his casting progression from MT witch in turn takes it's casting progression from wiz and clr?
Spells
A Wizard casts arcane spells...
Spells
A Sorcerer casts arcane spells...
Spells
A Witch casts arcane spells...
Spells
A Magus casts arcane spells...
Spells per Day
When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in any one arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class and any one divine spellcasting class he belonged to previously. He does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained. This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class and divine spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day, spells known, and caster level accordingly. If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class or more than one divine spellcasting class before he became a mystic theurge, he must decide to which class he adds each level of mystic theurge for the purpose of determining spells per day.
Not only does a Mystic Theurge not get the ability "Spells" (They get "Spells per Day") it also lacks the common line present in every arcane caster. It also lacks the similar line present in every divine caster (i.e. "A xxxx casts divine spells...")
A Mystic Theurge does not cast spells of it's own, it does not have a casting progression, and it cannot be advanced by a PrC that advances casting progressions.
I agree with Quantum Steve,
The MT gives you Caster Levels in an existing class, not Prestige classes.
Furthermore gaining +1CL as EK is the same as gaining +1CL as Wizard or Sorcerer (i.e.), so no advantage here.Where does it say that it must be a base class it simply says an arcain casting class witch the MT is?
If a charater wants to be wiz 3/clr 3/MT 2/EK X he is alowed but the question is why cant he take his casting progression from MT witch in turn takes it's casting progression from wiz and clr?
There is no such thing as MT caster levels in spellcasting. There is a such thing as wizard caster levels. That is why you have to choose the wizard/sorcerer.
thank you steve that is what i couldn't find myself exactly what made the MT diffrent from other casters. i would still let it go because they would be so far behind a normal well... anything and i think it would be cool all in all a true jack of all trades master of none.
Hey, guest here, I had a comment about the Eldritch Knight dilema.
It doesn't say you continue in the spellcasting progression of a previous class.
It says that the character gains new spells per day as if they had gained a level in the other class.
Which means, you're leveling up the spellcasting column from your previous class.
So, if you were to level up the spells per day column of MT using EK, you would "+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class/+1 level of existing divine spellcasting class" as if you had gained that level of MT.
Just because the class doesn't say it casts spells, does not mean you get to ignore the spells per day progression chart.
So simply put, yes, EK stacks MT.
In 3.5 I think there was a definition of spellcasting class being a class with its own spell list, I haven't found any in pathfinder.
However I can imagine a smart GM saying that MT is a spellcasting prestige class and not a spellcasting class, thus not qualifying for the +1 EK gives.
Hey, guest here, I had a comment about the Eldritch Knight dilema.
It doesn't say you continue in the spellcasting progression of a previous class.
It says that the character gains new spells per day as if they had gained a level in the other class.
Which means, you're leveling up the spellcasting column from your previous class.
So, if you were to level up the spells per day column of MT using EK, you would "+1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class/+1 level of existing divine spellcasting class" as if you had gained that level of MT.Just because the class doesn't say it casts spells, does not mean you get to ignore the spells per day progression chart.
So simply put, yes, EK stacks MT.
Put simply, you're wrong. Also, this has been resolved for 2 years, I don't think anyone in this thread really cares any more.
Mystic theurge is not a spell casting class. It is a class that advances spell casting. There is a difference.
There is a difference, but it's actually irrelevant. There's an even more fundamental reason they don't stack - the one Quantum Steve pointed out.
At the indicated levels, an eldritch knight gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in an arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before adding the prestige class.
Mystic Theruge is not an arcane spell casting class. At best, you could argue you would advance the arcane side of MT's progression, which is exactly the same as advancing the base arcane class's spellcasting.