So, as the subject says, I feel that I'm not advancing creatures correctly. I'm looking at taking the Wraith and making it a Dread Wraith. I could use the giant and advanced template as it suggests but the other option is to advance it to a 16 HD version and I'm confused on how.
If anyone has the extra time, could you create a Dread Wraith this way and show the steps so that I can figured it out. Thanks!
So, as the subject says, I feel that I'm not advancing creatures correctly. I'm looking at taking the Wraith and making it a Dread Wraith. I could use the giant and advanced template as it suggests but the other option is to advance it to a 16 HD version and I'm confused on how.
If anyone has the extra time, could you create a Dread Wraith this way and show the steps so that I can figured it out. Thanks!
Those are the two ways to advance it. The templates are the easy way, but the HD advancement allows for more customization.
It is just like building a character. If nobody takes a stab at it within the next 15 minutes I will advance one. It might take a while for me to come up with the step by step instructions though.
I remember doing it in 3.x plenty of times but the charts for that didn't seem as confusing. In PF I find myself going back and forth at the different charts in the back and still missing bits.
I remember doing it in 3.x plenty of times but the charts for that didn't seem as confusing. In PF I find myself going back and forth at the different charts in the back and still missing bits.
PF's charts are better. After a certain amount of advancement 3.5's charts were off, but you had to have a good sense of game balance to know when to start ignoring the chart.
What part are you having trouble with? I think that is easier than me throwing a lot of info out that won't be needed.
Yeah, I'll step through it and see where I get stuck. (:
I know part of my confusion is table 2-1, it gets referred to repeatedly and that table doesn't make any sort of sense to me. But, skipping that for now.
So, I have a 5 HD Wraith and want to turn it into a 16 HD Wraith
Like I said, the "Creature Advancement" Table, 2-1, doesn't make any sense to me. So, we use table 1-4 instead and basically instead of advancing from 5 HD to 16 HD, we just create a 16 HD undead from scratch? This is where I start to feel quite unsure. I can do that, create a 16 HD undead, but if that's what we're suppose to do, then why and what is 2-1?
So, from table 1-4 I can get the HD and therefor hit points. The BAB and therefor the CMB and CMD (after the stats are reconfigured). And with table 1-6 I get the good save (will) and the others. I guess that leaves me with feats, which it'd get at 6 HD, 9 HD, 12 HD, and 15 HD, for 4 more feats...correct? And ability score increases at 8 HD, 12 HD, and 16 HD? And the number of skill points is from table 1-4 as well. So yeah, I guess in this example I'm mostly unsure of myself since reading Adding Racial Hit Dice on page 295 tells you to use table 2-1, which wants me to do something with CRs, and never mentions table 1-4 which is what I think you'd primarily use.
Yeah, I'll step through it and see where I get stuck. (:
I know part of my confusion is table 2-1, it gets referred to repeatedly and that table doesn't make any sort of sense to me. But, skipping that for now.
So, I have a 5 HD Wraith and want to turn it into a 16 HD Wraith
Like I said, the "Creature Advancement" Table, 2-1, doesn't make any sense to me. So, we use table 1-4 instead and basically instead of advancing from 5 HD to 16 HD, we just create a 16 HD undead from scratch? This is where I start to feel quite unsure. I can do that, create a 16 HD undead, but if that's what we're suppose to do, then why and what is 2-1?
So, from table 1-4 I can get the HD and therefor hit points. The BAB and therefor the CMB and CMD (after the stats are reconfigured). And with table 1-6 I get the good save (will) and the others. I guess that leaves me with feats, which it'd get at 6 HD, 9 HD, 12 HD, and 15 HD, for 4 more feats...correct? And ability score increases at 8 HD, 12 HD, and 16 HD? And the number of skill points is from table 1-4 as well. So yeah, I guess in this example I'm mostly unsure of myself since reading Adding Racial Hit Dice on page 295 tells you to use table 2-1, which wants me to do something with CRs, and never mentions table 1-4 which is what I think you'd primarily use.
At 16HD for a shadow it should be large. Pathfinder does not tell you when specific monsters get larger. That is one thing I don't like.
You get feats at every odd level/HD in pathfinder not at every 3rd, so it would be at 7,9,11,13, and 15. You have the ability score increases correct. You should not need to CR table for the 16HD advancement. You do need the table-->Table: Statistics Summary<--That is the one that shows the saves, BAB, and so on. The the other stuff you had correct except for the feats in this post. Don't forget to increase the save DC for the con drain. The formula is 1/2HD+10+Charisma modifier.
At 16HD for a shadow it should be large. Pathfinder does not tell you when specific monsters get larger. That is one thing I don't like.
Actually, the Bestiary recommends an increase in size when the HD have increased by 50%.
Actually, the Bestiary recommends an increase in size when the HD have increased by 50%.
At 16HD for a shadow it should be large. Pathfinder does not tell you when specific monsters get larger. That is one thing I don't like.
Thanks.
Greetings, fellow traveller.
I find myself using the Monster Builder on PFSRD a lot:
Watch out for some values like INT when applying the Advanced Template for animals, e. g., and I have noticed some other miscalculations as well, but overall I am satisfied with the results.
Ruyan.
Greetings, fellow traveller.
I find myself using the Monster Builder on PFSRD a lot:
Watch out for some values like INT when applying the Advanced Template for animals, e. g., and I have noticed some other miscalculations as well, but overall I am satisfied with the results.
Ruyan.
I've never noticed that before... very nice tool.
OK, thanks for the advice! And thanks for the link too!
Hopefully final question on this: I'm trying to make a Gargantuan Animated Object. Using what I did above with the Wraith I think I have it except, is there a guideline/rule somewhere that suggests when the damage dice step up? The Medium Animated Object starts off doing a 1d6+3 damage, the Str damage is going to go way up but it seems odd that a Gargantuan's base damage die would still be a d6. ?
Thanks!
Greetings, fellow traveller.
I find myself using the Monster Builder on PFSRD a lot:
Watch out for some values like INT when applying the Advanced Template for animals, e. g., and I have noticed some other miscalculations as well, but overall I am satisfied with the results.
Ruyan.
I discovered it recently and it works quiet well.
Hopefully final question on this: I'm trying to make a Gargantuan Animated Object. Using what I did above with the Wraith I think I have it except, is there a guideline/rule somewhere that suggests when the damage dice step up? The Medium Animated Object starts off doing a 1d6+3 damage, the Str damage is going to go way up but it seems odd that a Gargantuan's base damage die would still be a d6. ?
Thanks!
Every time a monster goes up a size category his damage dice should go up as well. Look at the improved natural attack feat. It shows the progression.
Every time a monster goes up a size category his damage dice should go up as well. Look at the improved natural attack feat. It shows the progression.
Yeah, that's what I figured but couldn't find any rules that say so. Thanks!
I am trying to use the PFSRD monster builder, but for me the monsters never load. I have waited over an hour and nothing.