So a creature with the slam/grab ability can grab the opponent as a free action. Now if it has a second attack does the creature attack as if it is a grappled if it wins the CMB vs CMD check?
I'm a little confused as to how it works and so are the players. If someone can walk me through different scenarios where grab is used and the conditions involved it would be very helpful.
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First: Some grappling advice.
To answer your specific question:
Monster has 2 slam attacks with the grab special ability.
Attack one hits, triggering a free grapple check. The grapple check succeeds. The monster and the target of its first attack are now grappled. (There's an option in the grab ability for this monster to avoid this condition by taking a -20 to the CMB check.)
The grappled condition imparts some penalties and limitations, but nothing that prevents a grappler from attacking someone outside of the grapple. Since it is still the attacking monster's turn, and since nothing prevents him from using his second attack, it can make a second slam attack (against any target it can reach), applying the penalties for being grappled.
Regardless of who the target of the second attack is, if the second attack is successful it trigger a second free grapple check - be sure to apply all penalties from being grappled. (If the monster is a two-armed humanoid, it would also take penalties at this point for not having two free hands.) If the attack was against a new target, that target gains the grappled condition (assuming the CMB check succeeds).
This (probably) ends the monster's turn, since it took a full attack. The monster and anything it grabbed during its attack retain the grappled condition until a) someone breaks or escapes the grapple or b) the start of the monster's next turn.
If the monster's next turn rolls around and it is grappling more than one target, the monster must either a) let go of both targets or b) let go of all but one target so that it can maintain the grapple against one target. Nothing (so far, that I know of) can maintain a grapple against more than one target. Maintaining a grapple is a standard action. When the monster maintains the grapple, it has the option to perform one of those grapple actions detailed in the grappled maneuver (damage, pin, move).
First: Some grappling advice.
If the monster's next turn rolls around and it is grappling more than one target, the monster must either a) let go of both targets or b) let go of all but one target so that it can maintain the grapple against one target. Nothing (so far, that I know of) can maintain a grapple against more than one target.
Tom, can you please cite the section of the rules where it states that a creature can't grapple more than one creature at the same time?
What about creatures with multiple arms/tentacles, etc.?
First: Some grappling advice.
The link has a nice article on interpreting the grapple rules, but the site doesn't appear to be offiliated with Paizo, so we can only take it as an opinion rather than official rule clarifications.
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The link has a nice article on interpreting the grapple rules, but the site doesn't appear to be offiliated with Paizo, so we can only take it as an opinion rather than official rule clarifications.
Yep. Advice.
Tom, can you please cite the section of the rules where it states that a creature can't grapple more than one creature at the same time?
What about creatures with multiple arms/tentacles, etc.?
Because it is a standard action to maintain a grapple it is impossible to maintain more than one grapple in a single round.
Because it is a standard action to maintain a grapple it is impossible to maintain more than one grapple in a single round.Tom, can you please cite the section of the rules where it states that a creature can't grapple more than one creature at the same time?
What about creatures with multiple arms/tentacles, etc.?
Good point! Thanks!
Because it is a standard action to maintain a grapple it is impossible to maintain more than one grapple in a single round.Good point! Thanks!
Because it is a standard action to maintain a grapple it is impossible to maintain more than one grapple in a single round.Tom, can you please cite the section of the rules where it states that a creature can't grapple more than one creature at the same time?
What about creatures with multiple arms/tentacles, etc.?
It is a standard action to maintain a grapple, it is a free action to initiate a grab in this scenario.
The creature will just have to let one (or both go) go the next turn. It has been said on the board (and I can't remember where) that creatures with multiple attacks due to multiple limbs make all their attacks at roughly the same time.
So a creature like a Froghemoth could make all it's attacks (on separate creatures) and grapple with each one (inflicting constrict damage as well).
Next turn it would just have to let go of all but one (or all, and then attack and re-grapple).