Rogue + Minor Magic Trick = eligible to take Arcane Strike feat?


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Title says it all. Would the rogue trick minor magic count towards meeting the "ability to cast arcane spells" prerequisite for arcane strike?

Grand Lodge

I'd say no. the rogue is using a magical effect but he's not a spellcaster. isn't having upteem d6 of sneak attack damage enough?


No. You don't have the ability to cast spells (it's a spell-like ability) nor do you have a caster level.

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LazarX wrote:
I'd say no. the rogue is using a magical effect but he's not a spellcaster. isn't having upteem d6 of sneak attack damage enough?

I happened to see the feat (I often forget it's there as I don't play casters...ever) and it got me thinking was all. Not trying to munchkin it up or anything.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
No. You don't have the ability to cast spells (it's a spell-like ability) nor do you have a caster level.

I don't know how ANYONE writing a new rule set could leave something like that in the rules after the huge 3.5 debacle surrounding that Apprentice feat.

I even brought that up in my Magus critique.

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Cartigan wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
No. You don't have the ability to cast spells (it's a spell-like ability) nor do you have a caster level.

I don't know how ANYONE writing a new rule set could leave something like that in the rules after the huge 3.5 debacle surrounding that Apprentice feat.

I even brought that up in my Magus critique.

I don't remember this, care to explain?


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Cartigan wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
No. You don't have the ability to cast spells (it's a spell-like ability) nor do you have a caster level.

I don't know how ANYONE writing a new rule set could leave something like that in the rules after the huge 3.5 debacle surrounding that Apprentice feat.

I even brought that up in my Magus critique.

I don't remember this, care to explain?

There was some optional feat (something Apprentice) in a table in Complete Arcana that said "You gain the use of a single [something level] level spell."

That was used by the munchkins to qualify for high level prestige classes at roughly 2nd or 3rd level.

Grand Lodge

I remember this question coming up before. The official answer was 'Minor Magic does not count as casting spells for the purpose of fulfilling Arcane Strike's requirements.'

I think it would be just fine, since the rogue has to spend a feat on it, and then use swift actions to maintain it.

Link.


Uhm, the benefits depend on your Caster Level. You only get a CL for that ability, at least that's how I understand the Rogue's ability.
So, even if you can take the feat, you will never get more than +1 to damage.
I would say that you can take the feat, altough it requires the ability to cast Spells ( not a single spell) but getting that miserable +1 to damage.

Grand Lodge

Minor Magic (Sp) wrote:
A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 0-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. This spell can be cast three times a day as a spell-like ability. The caster level for this ability is equal to the rogue's level. The save DC for this spell is 10 + the rogue's Intelligence modifier. The rogue must have an Intelligence of at least 10 to select this talent.

Either you use this caster level or the rogue has no caster level to use.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Minor Magic (Sp) wrote:
A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 0-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. This spell can be cast three times a day as a spell-like ability. The caster level for this ability is equal to the rogue's level. The save DC for this spell is 10 + the rogue's Intelligence modifier. The rogue must have an Intelligence of at least 10 to select this talent.
Either you use this caster level or the rogue has no caster level to use.

True.

However CL isn't a prerequisite for that feat, and you don't need a CL to get the initial +1. You need a CL to get higher bonuses.

Grand Lodge

I see what you mean on that.


Man, this question seems to pop up once every couple weeks.

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Sean FitzSimon wrote:
Man, this question seems to pop up once every couple weeks.

Has a golem ever commented on it?

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James Jacobs wrote:

Arcane strike requires the ability to cast arcane spells as a prerequisite. Spell-like abilities are not arcane spells, despite similarities.

A rogue would have to multiclass into wizard, bard, or sorcerer (or another arcanist class) in order to gain the benefit of Arcane Strike.

It's a better feat for bards than rogues as a result.

Guess I should have searched the site before posting, huh?

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