Does the Eidolon take a negative for multiple attacks in a round? Is one attack (ie. claws) primary when the bite is secondary? I don't think so but someone in my group is arguing with me. Thanks.
Does the Eidolon take a negative for multiple attacks in a round? Is one attack (ie. claws) primary when the bite is secondary? I don't think so but someone in my group is arguing with me. Thanks.
Bite and Claws(x2) are all primary attacks. The evolutions specify which are counted as primary and secondary attacks. This may be better explained in the Bestiary, because if I'm not mistaken this is a change from 3.5E, which might be where your friend may be getting confused.
If you only have ONE primary attack and nothing else you get 1-1/2 STR bonus instead just STR bonus. That is the only situation in which the text in the evolutions ever comes into question... that I noticed.
If you have 3 claw(& limbs) evolutions, you potentially have 6 primary attacks, HOWEVER "number of attacks" POSSIBLE is determined by the Eidolon chart, so it's possible you could only legally use 3 out of 6 attacks.
Does the Eidolon take a negative for multiple attacks in a round? Is one attack (ie. claws) primary when the bite is secondary? I don't think so but someone in my group is arguing with me. Thanks.Bite and Claws(x2) are all primary attacks. The evolutions specify which are counted as primary and secondary attacks.
If you only have ONE primary attack and nothing else you get 1-1/2 STR bonus instead just STR bonus. That is the only situation in which the text in the evolutions ever comes into question... that I noticed.
If you have 3 claw(& limbs) evolutions, you potentially have 6 primary attacks, HOWEVER "number of attacks" POSSIBLE is determined by the Eidolon chart, so it's possible you could only legally use 3 out of 6 attacks.
So, as a quadriped with a claws evo, I can attack three times in the round with no negative since all are primary? Is that outlined in the book or assumed since all are listed as primary?
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I was going to ask a very similar question. I'm looking at a summoner for my Society game Sunday and wanted to clarify something. If i take the biped base form, with claws as a free evolution and bite as an evolution, would he get 3 attacks a round all at full base attack bonus since they are all listed as primary attacks? This seems really powerful (and awesome), so I just wanted to make sure I was right before I made the character and then have the DM tell me it was all wrong. Thanks in advance for your help!
So, as a quadriped with a claws evo, I can attack three times in the round with no negative since all are primary? Is that outlined in the book or assumed since all are listed as primary?
Correct. See the spoiler-button below for the only 'outlined' information I could find on the subject. I have seen this question on the boards before in relation to the Bestiary. (pre-Eidolons & APG) Some examples...
*These creatures have 'weapon focus' on either bite or talons.
EDIT:
Natural Attacks
Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature's full base attack bonus and add the creature's full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature's base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one. If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type. Table: Natural Attacks by Size lists some of the most common types of natural attacks and their classifications.
Some creatures treat one or more of their attacks differently, such as dragons, which always receive 1-1/2 times their Strength bonus on damage rolls with their bite attack. These exceptions are noted in the creature's description.
Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack's original type.