They are definitely shapeshifters.
They have a wide range of powers like breathing fire, copying someone’s appearance exactly, illusions, ect...
These powers can be duplicated by making all their levels as sorcerers.
They have elevated Charisma and Intelligence, so give these +2 and Strength and Con. -2.
Pure born they have 10/silver, but those with the bloodline have 5/silver.
If they lose concentration while in human form they turn into hybrid form. That's like human but with a tail, ears, soft fur, and a muzzle.
Some have multiple tails.
The ones that eat life force and take over bodies are a form of non-corporeal undead.
Some legends have them as immortal and possibly deities.
Other legends have them as pure evil.
I'm leaning toward chaotic neutral.
Please post your ideas here.
They are definitely shapeshifters.
They have a wide range of powers like breathing fire, copying someone’s appearance exactly, illusions, ect...
These powers can be duplicated by making all their levels as sorcerers.
They have elevated Charisma and Intelligence, so give these +2 and Strength and Con. -2.
Pure born they have 10/silver, but those with the bloodline have 5/silver.
If they lose concentration while in human form they turn into hybrid form. That's like human but with a tail, ears, soft fur, and a muzzle.
Some have multiple tails.
The ones that eat life force and take over bodies are a form of non-corporeal undead.
Some legends have them as immortal and possibly deities.
Other legends have them as pure evil.
I'm leaning toward chaotic neutral.
Please post your ideas here.
I made them for 3.5. If you'd like to see the file I did up, gimme yer e-mail. Its a word doc and too big to post here.
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I did a version of kitsune for 3.5 in my book Ronin, available through rpgnow.com. There's also a fully Pathfinder version coming out in the re-release of the book, which will be available whenever Highmoon Games finishes the editing. (Email them if you'd like to see it sooner!) As a preview, I linked the number of tails a kitsune has to the number of class levels it has (which in turn is related to their age for NPC kitsune)--1 for level 1, up to 9 at level 17 and higher.
Jeremy Puckett
I've heard of Kitune long before I played D&D. Didn't know there was a 3.5 one. I've been tempting to build one from scratch since I didn't know there was one. Put it as a fey due to the legends of Kitsune and they fact they usually come out of the forest.
Contact claudevv@peoplepc.comI made them for 3.5. If you'd like to see the file I did up, gimme yer e-mail. Its a word doc and too big to post here.They are definitely shapeshifters.
They have a wide range of powers like breathing fire, copying
Please post your ideas here.
Here's where I found the legends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune
Mine were not meant to be played, they were a major menace race in a campaign I ran...but they could be played probably.
I basicly wrote them up as mamalian dragons...meaning they had most of the powers myths give them, and their age categories were determined by number of tails. They got SR and DR dependant on tails, and a bunch of spell-like abilities. They scaled in difficulty like dragons did so I could have them fight stronger and stronger kitsune as they advanced, up to the one silver kitsune that had 10 tails.
Thing that made them the most dangerous was their alter self abilities and charm/illusion spell likes. At least to fight a dragon, you usually go to his lair and have tons of prep time. A kitsune can get the drop on you with little effort...
Contact claudevv@peoplepc.comI made them for 3.5. If you'd like to see the file I did up, gimme yer e-mail. Its a word doc and too big to post here.They are definitely shapeshifters.
They have a wide range of powers like breathing fire, copying
Please post your ideas here.
ok when I get home this evening I'll send it over.
I was thinking some of them are CE, devoting themselves to stopping "The human Menace". Others try to influence humanity by encouraging the revering of nature and destroying the fur trade. One main personality trait is vanity. If I can get a preview, I would like to put one in the CLEAVES. Trying to use the heros to get her real godhood. Being Chaotic Neutral would make her hard to detect. I like the idea of multiple tails symbolizing increasing power.
I was thinking some of them are CE, devoting themselves to stopping "The human Menace". Others try to influence humanity by encouraging the revering of nature and destroying the fur trade. One main personality trait is vanity. If I can get a preview, I would like to put one in the CLEAVES. Trying to use the heros to get her real godhood. Being Caotic Neutral would make her hard to detect. I like the idea of multiple tails symbolizing increasing power.
Feel free to change whatever you want man, you're the GM :P
EDIT: I think I mention the Nogitsune (the evil ones) in the write up, but dunno why...I did this several years ago :$
Sent the file last night, hope you enjoy :)
Got the file.
I'm thinking of putting her in sketchy like other monsters.
Sakura will pretend to be a Geisha that got lost in The Cleaves. She will pretend to be helping them find their way home(or whatever), but will be looking for pieces of the artifact. She will be about the same level as the members of the party as a caster(Sorcerer) and in fox form have as many tails as her highest spell level(1-9). Note that she might not be able to get the 9th tail because of rules, at least till she becomes a goddess.
Will this probably fit the new official version coming from Pazio?
Got the file.
I'm thinking of putting her in sketchy like other monsters.
Sakura will pretend to be a Geisha that got lost in The Cleaves. She will pretend to be helping them find their way home(or whatever), but will be looking for pieces of the artifact. She will be about the same level as the members of the party as a caster(Sorcerer) and in fox form have as many tails as her highest spell level(1-9). Note that she might not be able to get the 9th tail because of rules, at least till she becomes a goddess.Will this probably fit the new official version coming from Pazio?
I have no idea.
I'm coming to this conversation a bit late.
Try the Kitsunemori setting book from Dog Soul. It's pretty good.
I have a Pathfinder write up (incomplete) for Kitsune I made up. I tried to also look at Hu Xian/Huli Jing and the Korean foxes.
Kitsune are either Magical Beasts or Fey (or both) by my analysis.
I’m going to assume that Kitsune gaining levels only by draining levels only happens in horror games. Does someone who died from level loss turn into a Juju Zombie? As I remember they have intelligence, wisdom, and more dice, as well as normal speed.
I'll look in Pazio's downloads to see if the write up for the updated book is there.
Kobold Quartely released a very nice one, should have a look. It's more a trickster one than a "soul-eater" one... gah, look for yourself: KQ Kitsune.
I’m going to assume that Kitsune gaining levels only by draining levels only happens in horror games. Does someone who died from level loss turn into a Juju Zombie? As I remember they have intelligence, wisdom, and more dice, as well as normal speed.
I'll look in Pazio's downloads to see if the write up for the updated book is there.
Umm...kitsune dont turn ppl into zombies...
Only certain creatures that drain stats turn people into anything, and thats usually stated in the creature's ability.
Yeah, I'll just ignore that part of the legends.
Better yet, have them consider it a racial slur.
They can have vendettas against people and their decendandants that spread rumors that Kitsune drain levels.
Yeah, I'll just ignore that part of the legends.
Better yet, have them consider it a racial slur.
They can have vendettas against people and their decendandants that spread rumors that Kitsune drain levels.
It's pretty central to the conception of the fox seductress in Japan, and the main legend in China, where foxes don't have Inari to gentle their image. I made it a prestige class in my unfinished writeup; the Nekomata (Cat Henge) is even more strongly associated with Ki vampirism.
I’m going to assume that Kitsune gaining levels only by draining levels only happens in horror games. Does someone who died from level loss turn into a Juju Zombie? As I remember they have intelligence, wisdom, and more dice, as well as normal speed.
I'll look in Pazio's downloads to see if the write up for the updated book is there.
Ah, no, Kitsune do not create undead from ki life drain, as they themselves are not undead, they are yokai 'shape-changers'. At least they are not undead in Japan.
Creating undead from life drain is eastern European vampire or D&D only, not oriental tradition.
Really except for Gaki and Shikigaki, which are types of Japanese ghouls, all undead are ghosts or 'yurei'.
Yokai is a vast blanket term to cover a very large group of spiritual beings in Japan from your henge types of Kitsune and Mujina, to Yuki-onna and most typical folklore beings.
I am currently developing Kaidan: a Japanese Ghost Story setting which is scheduled for release early 2011 as an imprint under Rite Pubishing, and is currently a patronage project under the lead design of Jonathon McAnulty of Open Design Project/Kobold Quarterly. My goal is to take Japanese based fantasy settings back towards folklore/mythical origins and away from poorly done past D&D editions of the orient - which is largely wrong.
If you're interested in helping to develop Kaidan with me, check out the patronage product page for it...Kaidan
GP
PS: both Kitsune and Nekomaki are ki draining yokai of Kaidan.
Wait, ki, not levels or hit points?
So if someone is not a Monk or Ninja, they can lose a ki point every day and not miss it. If they have it.
Could a Kitsune find someone with untapped Ki talent and train them in certain meditations to be a donar? Is Ki donar a feat?
I checked the write up for the monk, since ki energy comes from wisdom, thoes not trained in focusing Ki would suffer an effective wisdom drain. When their temporary Wisdom reaches 0 they would pass out for about 8 hours.
I'm not saying that's how Pathfinder does it. I'm saying this is the way it is in Japanese history/folklore and how I plan to use in my own published setting of Kaidan.
But in Japan, everything has ki. All living things have ki as part of their life force. There is ki in rocks, soil, plants, water - its an energy form that exists everywhere.
Kitsune that drain this ki energy, is draining life, since ki is life energy.
While monks and other ki based classes have a ki pool, all classes have the potential of ki. I would agree that Wis drain, would result in the loss of ki or the damage to one's ki potential. I see a ki pool as manifested ki beyond what's available in all living things. Monks and Ninja have more ki then others.
A kitsune attack could also be Wisdom Drain, so a more serious threat then mere Wisdom damage.
To manifest your ki pool you need to take levels in a ki class such as monk or ninja (just like level dipping for any other kind of class feature.)
GP
So if ki is also life force, would Kitsunes also have vampiric touch?
A kitsune, like a nekomaki and cats in many folklore tradions draw your life force, by inhaling your breath. The targetted victim must be helpless or asleep. The kitsune does not need to touch or bite, rather place its mouth close to the victims mouth and inhales the life force through one's breath - damaging or killing them.
I wouldn't think vampiric touch would be appropriate, perhaps calling it 'Stealing Breath', and have it work in a similar fashion. Touch is not necessary for a Kitsune attack.
You're confusing western concepts with eastern concepts - life energy drain, while in mechanic in D&D is built for western folklore tropes. I would be designing a similar mechanic, but rely on eastern flavor. Vampires, vampiric touch, blood drain are all western concepts and shouldn't be mixed with oriental versions.
GP
Oh so that's why they are air based.
So only beings protected from gasses are immune to their power.
I'm just trying to put it in game terms.
I'm thinking their draining aura affects a close range sphere, 25ft+5 feet per 2 levels. Saves and effects are based on number of tails. Will save DC10+3 per tail. One tail, 2 point temporary wisdom drain.
Second tail, like vampiric touch. Third tail, 2 points temporary Charisma drain, (adjust sorcerer DCs and bonus spells.
Interesting ideas.
GP
Question: Which kitsune variant would be the recommended one in a game where most of the players will be std Pathfinder races: Elf, Human, etc? As in one well-balanced and doesn't cause DM's head to explode.
The air based one is fine for the standard races.
Forged however might not breath.It might be easier for one to pose as an elf than a human.
Kitsunes are a mastermind type. Not a one encounter threat.
Not a hired infiltrator either. One might hire a doppelganger.
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I vaguely remember some musty old tome of folklore featuring a story about some trickster kitsune stirring up trouble for the lulz until a Buddhist priest started chasing after her. Chase went on for a long time after that. Eventually she turned herself into a rock to stump the priest. Priest went and made a hammer, crushed her, and said a prayer for her that led to her being reborn as a human so that she would live a proper life.
I think this book was put together in the 50's.
Not sure if there's anything to mine from that. It's my only real memory of reading anything based on real kitsune folklore.
I'm thinking their draining aura affects a close range sphere, 25ft+5 feet per 2 levels. Saves and effects are based on number of tails. Will save DC10+3 per tail. One tail, 2 point temporary wisdom drain.
Second tail, like vampiric touch. Third tail, 2 points temporary Charisma drain, (adjust sorcerer DCs and bonus spells.
Strictly speaking, the kitsune is a yin infused being that is draining yang energy. According to Taoist alchemy the most efficient way to do that involves much closer than a close sphere range. In fact, it doesn't involve clothes.
Some of the legends involve a male Kitsune.
A minority of legends involve a Kitsune sucking out someone's soul during s*x.
I also don't like these arguments.
Ok which book/supplement has this?Question: Which kitsune variant would be the recommended one in a game where most of the players will be std Pathfinder races: Elf, Human, etc? As in one well-balanced and doesn't cause DM's head to explode.The air based one is fine for the standard races.
Forged however might not breath.
It might be easier for one to pose as an elf than a human.
Kitsunes are a mastermind type. Not a one encounter threat.
Not a hired infiltrator either. One might hire a doppelganger.
None to my knowledge.
This topic is about Legends.Thanks again for sucking me back into this argument.
Is there another name for Fox Demons?
Ok which book/supplement has this?Question: Which kitsune variant would be the recommended one in a game where most of the players will be std Pathfinder races: Elf, Human, etc? As in one well-balanced and doesn't cause DM's head to explode.The air based one is fine for the standard races.
Forged however might not breath.
It might be easier for one to pose as an elf than a human.
Kitsunes are a mastermind type. Not a one encounter threat.
Not a hired infiltrator either. One might hire a doppelganger.
None to my knowledge.
This topic is about Legends.
Thanks again for sucking me back into this argument.
Is there another name for Fox Demons?
There are quite a few:
For the original legend, in China, which merged with the Inari kami in Japan (and thus became ambigiously amoral rather than evil): Hu Xian (Spirit Fox), Huli Jing (Demon Fox), Laohu (Old Fox) and in Korea: Kumiho. They are definitely CE in Korean legend.Check out Kitsune, Kumiho, Huli Jing, Fox.
That's a great resource.
I'm thinking that the Huli Jing should be the creature that removes their lovers life force during s@x. The Hu Xian might be capable of possessing a human like a ghost does. The Laohu might be the immortal subspecies of foxes that gain magic powers over the centuries.
Note that I helped raise chickens when I was young, and I thought all racoons were inherently evil because of a few racoons who ate chickens and ducks. That could be why Korean legends are universally anti-fox.