Aspect of the Beast: Still legal in 3.1?


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Sovereign Court 1/5

I ask because part of the requirement text allows characters afflicted with lycanthropy to take the feat. This is usually adjudicated by the judge, but we have only the guide. It shouldn't be outright banned as it is a key part of one of the new ranger builds. Given this, it might require some extra restriction text.

Otherwise, people who want to pick up claw attacks easily might be drawn to the feat. In that case, there may be a few pathfinders who don't take missions that carry over nights of the full moon and howl randomly during sessions. Interesting roleplay, but a little hard on the verisimilitude.

Grand Lodge 3/5

3.1 hasn't come out yet. 3.0.1 is what came out and it only added the Magus to the rules.

3.1 will be out soon.


Where is this feat?

Liberty's Edge

Joshua J. Frost wrote:
Where is this feat?

Advanced Player's Guide.


You have to have the wild shape class ability to take the feat.

The special notes if you're a lycanthrope, you can skip that requirement.

Beyond that, I guess I'm not 100% understanding the OP's concern.

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I *think* he's worried about PC lycanthropes.

I don't see anything here to worry about though. If I remember correctly any of the diseases that turn you into a lycanthrope also end your status as a PC.

Joshua J. Frost wrote:

Beyond that, I guess I'm not 100% understanding the OP's concern.

1/5

Joshua J. Frost wrote:

You have to have the wild shape class ability to take the feat.

The special notes if you're a lycanthrope, you can skip that requirement.

Beyond that, I guess I'm not 100% understanding the OP's concern.

To be honest, I think there's a bigger problem here, now that I really look at it. The Shapeshifter Archetype's feat list consists of nothing but banned feats. Really, the archetype should probably be banned as well, to avoid the confusion, unless you're going to allow these guys to take the Bestiary feats.


Chris Kenney wrote:
Joshua J. Frost wrote:

You have to have the wild shape class ability to take the feat.

The special notes if you're a lycanthrope, you can skip that requirement.

Beyond that, I guess I'm not 100% understanding the OP's concern.

To be honest, I think there's a bigger problem here, now that I really look at it. The Shapeshifter Archetype's feat list consists of nothing but banned feats. Really, the archetype should probably be banned as well, to avoid the confusion, unless you're going to allow these guys to take the Bestiary feats.

I'm assuming here that you are actually referring to the Natural Weapon combat style.

2nd: Aspect of the Beast
6th: Weapon Focus (claws)
10th: Rending Claws
14th: Eldritch Fangs*
18th: Vital Strike*

I'm not sure where the issue is.

*of course, PFS doesn't even go this high...

Sovereign Court 1/5

My concerns were thus:

1) Afflicted Lycanthropy doesn't register until a full moon, so someone could say they are a lycanthrope that doesn't adventure over full moons to gain no mechanical benefit beyond being able to take the above mentioned feat.
2) PFS has glossed over requirements for options before (Daivrat, Galley Slave, etc.) when an option should be allowed and you can't actually track a requirement in the campaign.

So, by making this an open feat, it invites people to figure out a backstory where they are afflicted lycanthropes for the purposes of bypassing the wild shape or ranger requirements. Your call if this is too powerful.

Grand Lodge 2/5

RtrnofdMax wrote:

My concerns were thus:

1) Afflicted Lycanthropy doesn't register until a full moon, so someone could say they are a lycanthrope that doesn't adventure over full moons to gain no mechanical benefit beyond being able to take the above mentioned feat.
2) PFS has glossed over requirements for options before (Daivrat, Galley Slave, etc.) when an option should be allowed and you can't actually track a requirement in the campaign.

So, by making this an open feat, it invites people to figure out a backstory where they are afflicted lycanthropes for the purposes of bypassing the wild shape or ranger requirements. Your call if this is too powerful.

Maybe I misunderstood the feat description, but I though it was required to have Wild Shape as a class feature. That means druid doesn't it? Under the special note it also states that if you have lycanthropy you could take it without meeting the requirements. I don't see the issue here. I haven't read 100% of the PFS mods, but I have a sneaking suspicion that there are exactly 0 where a PC would be able to contract lycanthropy. Therefore, you can take this feat if you are a non-lycanthropic druid.

1/5

Zizazat wrote:
RtrnofdMax wrote:

My concerns were thus:

1) Afflicted Lycanthropy doesn't register until a full moon, so someone could say they are a lycanthrope that doesn't adventure over full moons to gain no mechanical benefit beyond being able to take the above mentioned feat.
2) PFS has glossed over requirements for options before (Daivrat, Galley Slave, etc.) when an option should be allowed and you can't actually track a requirement in the campaign.

So, by making this an open feat, it invites people to figure out a backstory where they are afflicted lycanthropes for the purposes of bypassing the wild shape or ranger requirements. Your call if this is too powerful.

Maybe I misunderstood the feat description, but I though it was required to have Wild Shape as a class feature. That means druid doesn't it? Under the special note it also states that if you have lycanthropy you could take it without meeting the requirements. I don't see the issue here. I haven't read 100% of the PFS mods, but I have a sneaking suspicion that there are exactly 0 where a PC would be able to contract lycanthropy. Therefore, you can take this feat if you are a non-lycanthropic druid.

The Natural Weapon combat style gets it as a bonus feat (and Ranger bonus feats can be taken without meeting prerequisites, so...)

Grand Lodge 2/5

Chris Kenney wrote:
The Natural Weapon combat style gets it as a bonus feat (and Ranger bonus feats can be taken without meeting prerequisites, so...)

Ok, cool. But again having what to do with lycanthropy? :)


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RtrnofdMax wrote:

So, by making this an open feat, it invites people to figure out a backstory where they are afflicted lycanthropes for the purposes of bypassing the wild shape or ranger requirements. Your call if this is too powerful.

Sorry you can't just give yourself templates.

If a module afflicts you lycanthropy (and doesn't state that your character is removed from play if its not cured with in the module) then you might qualify. But you can't just say in my past I gave myself Lycanthrope template and thus qualify.

If you want the feat take 2 levels of ranger, or 4 levels of druid.

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Maezer wrote:
If a module afflicts you lycanthropy (and doesn't state that your character is removed from play if its not cured with in the module) then you might qualify. But you can't just say in my past I gave myself Lycanthrope template and thus qualify.

If a scenario ever afflicts PCs with lycanthropy, there is no way that said PCs will be allowed to remain such in future scenarios. A PC who failed to remove the affliction during or immediately after the conclusion of that adventure would be reported as dead and removed from play. I don't know of anything on the horizon with lycanthropes in it, but rest assured that we won't be allowing were-Pathfinders in sanctioned play.

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