Howie23
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If a 15th level sorcerer has cast "Shrink Item" on a 750 ton boulder and used the "Teleport" spell to hurl it at his enemy uttering the word to make the boulder large again, he could theoretically do about 60000d6 damage with it. Or am I wrong??
Shrink item would reduce the stated boulder to 375 lbs. Teleport can't be used to hurl anything. If you mean telekenesis, the violent thrust manouver can be used to hurl that boulder at a target as a std action. Per shrink item, you can command the boulder to resume original size. Doing so involves a command word, whether this is is uttered as a non action or is a standard action such as concentrating/controlling a spell and or using a command word item is not stated. The 750 ton boulder is not a valid object of telekenisis.
What then happens becomes a matter of rules philosophy rather than strict rules interpretation. Some view this as creativity and will reward it. Others will view it as violating the spirit and intention of the spell and not allow it.
| UndeadViking |
A ridiculous scenario, but by the rules as it written let's see if it's possible.
A 750 tons boulder weights 1,500,000 pounds. (750 times 2,000 pounds). It's probably VERY big.
Shrink Item only works on one touched object of up to 2 cu. ft./level. At 15th level, that's 30 cubic feet total. Keep in mind that's only 30 1x1x1 ft. cubes. A 5x5x5 ft. cube consists of 125 1x1x1ft. cubes total, so the spell would only let him shrink something that is no bigger than 3x3x3ft. (27 1x1x1 cubes) in size.
I sincerely, sincerely, doubt a 3x3x3 ft. boulder weighs __750__ tons. It would be MUCH bigger, and consist of MANY more cubic feet than just 3x3x3.
So right there, if you use any common sense at all, it's not possible to use Shrink Item on such a huge boulder in the first place.
Assuming the DM lets him shrink it anyway (boo!), it gets reduced to 1/16th it's normal size, AND 1/4,000th of its original mass, bringing it down to ??? height/width and 370 pounds (1,500,000 divided by 4,000). So it now weighs a mere 370 pounds.
The teleport object spell can teleport up to 50 lbs./level and 3 cu. ft./level. At 15th level, he can teleport 750 pounds and 45 cubic feet (45 1x1x1 ft. cubes, which is only a quarter the size of a 5ft. cube). If you take the spell's limitation to mean either 50lbs/level OR 3 cu. ft./level max, then he could teleport it. If you take it to mean both maximum's apply, then maybe he could still do it -- I don't know how many cubic feet there is in a boulder that weighs 370 pounds. Up to the DM.
And by the way, how do you calculate 60000d6 damage?....
I know in most non-munchkin, common sense campaigns this sort of tactic would be laughed at and not allowed from the sheer absurdity standpoint, but hey it's anybodies game. If one of my players insisted they could do this, I'd say ok and the next encounter I'd have a 750 ton boulder drop on his head and end the problem right there.
| th drejer |
Yeah, I meant "Telekinesis" and not "Teleport". Srry
You could shrink about 1 cubic meter of material.
1 cubic meter platinum weighs 21.450 Kg (about 43.000 pounds)
Shrunken it weighs 10,75 pounds and could be thrown with teleKINESIS ;)
when it hits or when I speak the command word (free action I guess) it goes back to being a 21.45 ton thingy.
Telekinesis states that I do 1d6 points of damage per 25 pounds (hard dense object) = 1720d6 points of damage.
Still quite nice for an exploit (which should not be allowed ofcourse)