APG two weapon warrior question

[greatamericanfolkhero]

The Perfect Balance special ability: if using a one-handed weapon the penalty is -1/-1 correct?
The way it's sounding to me is that Imp. Balance is letting you treat the one hand as a light to make it -2/-2 then perfect balance is subtracting from that.
Am I way off base here?

[Tom Baumbach]

Improved balance and perfect balance only reduce the two-weapon fighting penalties for *actual* light weapons. Even with perfect balance, if you're using a one-handed weapon in your off-hand, you get no penalty reduction from Improved balance or perfect balance.

Those two abilities do the same thing, it would have been better to word them thusly:

Improved Balance (Ex): The two-weapon warrior's attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 when wielding a light weapon in his off-hand. The two-weapon warrior can wield one-handed weapons in his off-hand as though they were light weapons, but gains no reduction in attack penalties from this ability for doing so.

Perfect Balance (Ex): [as above, plus:] This benefit stacks with improved balance.

[greatamericanfolkhero]

Tom Baumbach wrote:

Improved balance and perfect balance only reduce the two-weapon fighting penalties for *actual* light weapons. Even with perfect balance, if you're using a one-handed weapon in your off-hand, you get no penalty reduction from Improved balance or perfect balance.

Those two abilities do the same thing, it would have been better to word them thusly:

Improved Balance (Ex): The two-weapon warrior's attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 when wielding a light weapon in his off-hand. The two-weapon warrior can wield one-handed weapons in his off-hand as though they were light weapons, but gains no reduction in attack penalties from this ability for doing so.

Perfect Balance (Ex): [as above, plus:] This benefit stacks with improved balance.

So basically the two class features reduce the penalties by -2, but if you use a one-handed weapon you get it all at once. (going from -4/-4 to -2/-2)

Cool.

[Beastwithin7]

Tom Baumbach wrote:

Improved balance and perfect balance only reduce the two-weapon fighting penalties for *actual* light weapons. Even with perfect balance, if you're using a one-handed weapon in your off-hand, you get no penalty reduction from Improved balance or perfect balance.

Those two abilities do the same thing, it would have been better to word them thusly:

Improved Balance (Ex): The two-weapon warrior's attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 when wielding a light weapon in his off-hand. The two-weapon warrior can wield one-handed weapons in his off-hand as though they were light weapons, but gains no reduction in attack penalties from this ability for doing so.

Perfect Balance (Ex): [as above, plus:] This benefit stacks with improved balance.

If thats the case, then whats the point of Perfect Balance? Improved Balance says twf is reduced by 1, ALTERNATIVELY, he may use a one handed on off hand as if its light. Perfect Balance says stacking reduce of another 1, (no alternatively this time) He treats one handed as a light on his off hand. "He uses normal light weapon penalties" because twf is not an automatic ability to the Two Weapon Warrior.

[Chess Pwn]

Beastwithin7 wrote:

Tom Baumbach wrote:

Improved balance and perfect balance only reduce the two-weapon fighting penalties for *actual* light weapons. Even with perfect balance, if you're using a one-handed weapon in your off-hand, you get no penalty reduction from Improved balance or perfect balance.

Those two abilities do the same thing, it would have been better to word them thusly:

Improved Balance (Ex): The two-weapon warrior's attack penalties for fighting with two weapons are reduced by –1 when wielding a light weapon in his off-hand. The two-weapon warrior can wield one-handed weapons in his off-hand as though they were light weapons, but gains no reduction in attack penalties from this ability for doing so.

Perfect Balance (Ex): [as above, plus:] This benefit stacks with improved balance.

If thats the case, then whats the point of Perfect Balance? Improved Balance says twf is reduced by 1, ALTERNATIVELY, he may use a one handed on off hand as if its light. Perfect Balance says stacking reduce of another 1, (no alternatively this time) He treats one handed as a light on his off hand. "He uses normal light weapon penalties" because twf is not an automatic ability to the Two Weapon Warrior.

5 years, there's probably a newer thread that is more right. or you should start a new thread with your question