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Apparently, NPCs with PC class levels have the max possible amount of HP on their first level, like any PC. However, every single book I've read seems to be for or against this rule, some books even having different entries on this topic. For example, in the Bestiary, an aasimar cleric has the maximum possible HP on level 1 at all times, and same goes for the tiefling. They have PC class levels. However, why doesn't this rule apply to the Hobgoblin? He's a fighter, he has no racial hit dice, and still he has to randomly determine his HP. He has a PC class level, yet he needs to roll randomly as if he had NPC class levels? What the hell? I looked in the Errata, and they don't correct this.
And in the GameMastery Guide, all the NPCs, even those with PC class levels, need to roll their HP randomly, even those who are level 1. The acolyte, for example, is a level 1 cleric, and his HP are rolled randomly : the average number isn't the maximum possible value. Yet he has a level in a PC class?
What is the official rule for this? Why the hell is the hobgobelin treated differently from the aasimar even though they both fit the criteria and they're both in the same book? Is an errata supposed to correct all this, or am I missing something?
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Yeah, it's supposed to be "anything whose first hit die is a PC class level gets maximum on that hit die."
I'm guessing that the thing with the hobgoblin was just another "whoops" as they had a *huge* errata for the bestiary, which I imagine means that there is likely a lot more. Not sure what happened with the GMG.
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Apparently, NPCs with PC class levels have the max possible amount of HP on their first level, like any PC. However, every single book I've read seems to be for or against this rule, some books even having different entries on this topic. For example, in the Bestiary, an aasimar cleric has the maximum possible HP on level 1 at all times, and same goes for the tiefling. They have PC class levels. However, why doesn't this rule apply to the Hobgoblin? He's a fighter, he has no racial hit dice, and still he has to randomly determine his HP. He has a PC class level, yet he needs to roll randomly as if he had NPC class levels? What the hell? I looked in the Errata, and they don't correct this.
And in the GameMastery Guide, all the NPCs, even those with PC class levels, need to roll their HP randomly, even those who are level 1. The acolyte, for example, is a level 1 cleric, and his HP are rolled randomly : the average number isn't the maximum possible value. Yet he has a level in a PC class?
What is the official rule for this? Why the hell is the hobgobelin treated differently from the aasimar even though they both fit the criteria and they're both in the same book? Is an errata supposed to correct all this, or am I missing something?
Good questions.
As an aside, things like WTF, What the hell ..., Why the hell etc are generaly frowned on and tend to get your posts taken less seriously, not more seriously. We're all (supposed to be) friends here ... :)
I want to be your friend. I really do. But those holes in the rules are not my friends. So I'm angry at them. Yeah. Kinda. I'm not asking anyone to take me seriously. I just want an answer, I guess. Still, let me change the title of the thread.
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I want to be your friend. I really do. But those holes in the rules are not my friends. So I'm angry at them. Yeah. Kinda. I'm not asking anyone to take me seriously. I just want an answer, I guess. Still, let me change the title of the thread.
No worries - just letting you know for future reference :)
As to your actual question, I'd strongly recommend clicking that FAQ button so we can get it answered in the FAQ
Done, wasn't even aware that option existed.
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Apparently, NPCs with PC class levels have the max possible amount of HP on their first level, like any PC. However, every single book I've read seems to be for or against this rule, some books even having different entries on this topic. For example, in the Bestiary, an aasimar cleric has the maximum possible HP on level 1 at all times, and same goes for the tiefling. They have PC class levels. However, why doesn't this rule apply to the Hobgoblin? He's a fighter, he has no racial hit dice, and still he has to randomly determine his HP. He has a PC class level, yet he needs to roll randomly as if he had NPC class levels? What the hell? I looked in the Errata, and they don't correct this.
And in the GameMastery Guide, all the NPCs, even those with PC class levels, need to roll their HP randomly, even those who are level 1. The acolyte, for example, is a level 1 cleric, and his HP are rolled randomly : the average number isn't the maximum possible value. Yet he has a level in a PC class?
What is the official rule for this? Why the hell is the hobgobelin treated differently from the aasimar even though they both fit the criteria and they're both in the same book? Is an errata supposed to correct all this, or am I missing something?
This was just added to the Pathfinder Rules FAQ:
Thanks a lot! That means there are still lots of mistakes in these books. I'll be waiting for the next errata.
This is a FAQ item already.
It resulting from a recent meeting clarifying some ambiguous rules in the Core Rulebook and the Bestiary. It's also a more uniform ruling--we're no longer making an exception for PCs (who until this ruling were the only ones who got the max-at-1st-level hit points)... now *everyone* whose first HD is from a class level in one of the 17 base classes gets full hp at 1st level.
Oh my god. Sean K. Reynolds just answered my thread. I love you, Sean.
No irony. I'm seriously bowing in front of my computer right now.
No applause, please throw money, bills preferred.