Affected by Gaze Attacks even though alternative & remote vision methods?


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Hi,

can a creature be affeted by a gaze attack if the creature just is using "alternative" vision methods, such as
- blindsight
- touchsight
- smell
- etc.
Anything which fully replaces ordinary sight (still works with eyes closed) and allows a creature to locate another creature eactly enough to attack it.

Second question: would it work through scrying type spells such as remote viewing?


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Gaze (Su) A gaze special attack takes effect when foes look at the attacking creature's eyes. The attack can have any sort of effect: petrification, death, and charm are common. The typical range is 30 feet, but check the creature's entry for details. The type of saving throw for a gaze attack varies, but it is usually a Will or Fortitude save (DC 10 + 1/2 gazing creature's racial HD + gazing creature's Cha modifier; the exact DC is given in the creature's text). A successful saving throw negates the effect. A monster's gaze attack is described in abbreviated form in its description. Each opponent within range of a gaze attack must attempt a saving throw each round at the beginning of his or her turn in the initiative order. Only looking directly at a creature with a gaze attack leaves an opponent vulnerable. Opponents can avoid the need to make the saving throw by not looking at the creature, in one of two ways.

Averting Eyes: The opponent avoids looking at the creature's face, instead looking at its body, watching its shadow, tracking it in a reflective surface, etc. Each round, the opponent has a 50% chance to avoid having to make a saving throw against the gaze attack. The creature with the gaze attack, however, gains concealment against that opponent.

Wearing a Blindfold: The foe cannot see the creature at all (also possible to achieve by turning one's back on the creature or shutting one's eyes). The creature with the gaze attack gains total concealment against the opponent.

A creature with a gaze attack can actively gaze as an attack action by choosing a target within range. That opponent must attempt a saving throw but can try to avoid this as described above. Thus, it is possible for an opponent to save against a creature's gaze twice during the same round, once before the opponent's action and once during the creature's turn.

Gaze attacks can affect ethereal opponents. A creature is immune to gaze attacks of others of its kind unless otherwise noted. Allies of a creature with a gaze attack might be affected. All the creature's allies are considered to be averting their eyes from the creature with the gaze attack, and have a 50% chance to not need to make a saving throw against the gaze attack each round. The creature can also veil its eyes, thus negating its gaze ability.

I quoted the whole thing for completeness sake. So, to answer the first question, if the creature is not using its eyes (doesn't have them or they are otherwise not being used to see) and is instead relying on some other sense to perceive the creature they are fine and don't need to make saves.

To answer the second question, I will insert another quote.

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Scrying: A scrying spell creates an invisible magical sensor that sends you information. Unless noted otherwise, the sensor has the same powers of sensory acuity that you possess. This level of acuity includes any spells or effects that target you, but not spells or effects that emanate from you. The sensor, however, is treated as a separate, independent sensory organ of yours, and thus functions normally even if you have been blinded or deafened, or otherwise suffered sensory impairment.

The bolded portion leads me to believe that scrying is about as directly related to normal vision as blindsight or scent are. You don't use your physical eyes, but rather your "mind's eye" to scry with and thus are not affected by a gaze attack. I mean, if looking into a mirror gives you a 50% chance of not needing to save, peering at something directly through your mind without the need of eyes at all (blind creatures can use scrying to see things) ought to grant you freedom from having to make the save.

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