Clairvoyance and the blind caster


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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Can a blind Bard/Wizard/Sorcerer/Oracle/Witch use Clairvoyance to see if he/she has been blinded? I know the rules state that there must be adequate lighting at the far end of the spell, but it doesn't state anything about the caster's own sensing abilities. Comments?

Sovereign Court

Tivilio wrote:
Can a blind Bard/Wizard/Sorcerer/Oracle/Witch use Clairvoyance to see if he/she has been blinded? I know the rules state that there must be adequate lighting at the far end of the spell, but it doesn't state anything about the caster's own sensing abilities. Comments?

You can easily see this going either way so the bestest answer is "whatever you think works best for you and your group."

While you need adequate light, magically or supernaturally enhanced vision do not apply so this sensor is obviously separate from the character's own sight. Whether its separate from the character's lack of sight is completely debatable. I'd probably rule to allow it just because it seems sorta cool. I haven't thought of any ways a character could abuse it so I don't think I need to consider it much passed the coolness factor. I suppose if I really wanted to, I could analyze it and start coming up with "is the person blind because of visual organ damage vs. some sort of brain issue" considerations... but, other than for some mental exercise, it really doesn't seem necessary.


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Scrying: A scrying spell creates an invisible magical sensor that sends you information. Unless noted otherwise, the sensor has the same powers of sensory acuity that you possess. This level of acuity includes any spells or effects that target you, but not spells or effects that emanate from you. The sensor, however, is treated as a separate, independent sensory organ of yours, and thus functions normally even if you have been blinded or deafened, or otherwise suffered sensory impairment.

Clairvoyance is a Divination (Scrying) spell, so this is the relevant rule take from the Magic section of the PFRPG. Not sure how this would help your caster know he's been blinded, but it would let him see stuff, just from a different angle.

Grand Lodge

Tivilio wrote:

Can a blind Bard/Wizard/Sorcerer/Oracle/Witch use Clairvoyance to see if he/she has been blinded? I know the rules state that there must be adequate lighting at the far end of the spell, but it doesn't state anything about the caster's own sensing abilities. Comments?

Since you're not using your own eyes for this, I don't see a problem. After all one of the classic fantasy tropes is the blind seer after all. (The Belgeriad plays that one up to the hilt, with one of the lead characters stripping a seer of her abilities by curing her blindness.)


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Thanks for the input folks. I think having a Clairvoyance potion on hand or something might be a good plan if a wizard is concerned about being struck blind (which could come up in a future game).

Thanks again!


Mauril wrote:
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The sensor, however, is treated as a separate, independent sensory organ of yours, and thus functions normally even if you have been blinded or deafened, or otherwise suffered sensory impairment.

I was on the fence about this question until that quote. that seems to clench it for me, you can use scrying spells even if you are, yourself, blind. I would say you could even if from a race that lacked sight altogether.

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