I've been thinking through various mounted builds recently, and would like some insight about this one.
Your mounted charge attacks deal a tremendous amount of damage.
Prerequisites: Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack.
Benefit: When mounted and using the charge action, you deal double damage with a melee weapon (or triple damage with a lance).
When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack (including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability).
Spirited Charge doesn't limit itself it seems to a single attack, so could a Mounted Fury Barbarian with Greater Beast Totem full attack on the charge, dealing 3x his damage on each strike?
It seems like world shattering damage, but is it legal?
Yes, it is.
Note that a 10th level cavalier would do about the same damage as a same level pouncing babarian. And a babarians mount isn't exactly great.
Humbly,
Yawar
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Perhaps tiredness is causing my brain to fail but...
Spirited Charge allows the Barbarian to deal extra damage on HIS attacks when charging.
Pounce allows the MOUNT to use a full attack.
Neither affects the other unless we're talking about a Centaur-type creature or something who could have pounce himself, could wield weapons and still count as mounted when charging all by his lonesome.
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Agreed in principle. Do the rules for mounted charge distinguish between the character charging and a creature charging? If they don't then the OP is right. If they do, you can still get there with the other feats, though you are more limited. I prefer the second option for game balance. Otherwise, barbarians on manticores with lances will frenzy right through entire campaigns.
Not that there aren't other ways to just power through the tarrasque way before 23rd level.
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Perhaps tiredness is causing my brain to fail but...
Spirited Charge allows the Barbarian to deal extra damage on HIS attacks when charging.
Pounce allows the MOUNT to use a full attack.
Neither affects the other unless we're talking about a Centaur-type creature or something who could have pounce himself, could wield weapons and still count as mounted when charging all by his lonesome.
You seem to be a little bit lost in the mud here, so let me clarify.
With the appropriate rage powers a Barbarian can get for himself, Pounce. Coupled with spirited charge this means he can charge on his mount dealing 3x damage on each attack with a full attack using a lance.
As I see it... there is nothing in RAW mechanically preventing you from getting multiple attacks with a lance but I would like for you to describe to me how you while charging on the back of your mount are going to hit the same enemy using a piercing weapon with reach more than once. Would you pull the weapon out with lightning speed and then jab at them again? No, that is silly and falls under the global enchantment that does away with such things called GM fiat.
Using any other kind of weapon than a lance or similar reach weapon would make MUCH more sense.
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Yeah..the trouble I have is that if you're going to ban the lance from this strategy, you have to ban essentially all piercing weapons, which are apparently running straight through your foe when you ride up. Also, it's a game system, and so some similarly ridiculous mechanics are going to break open someone else's damage potential and cause your barbarian-without-a-lance to get his feelings hurt.
Here's what I'd rule: If you're mount charges with pounce, it can full attack. If you charge with pounce, you can full attack. But you can't get pounce and then rely on your mount to pounce for you, because you're not running and jumping. You're better off without the mount, or with Ride-by Attack and Bounding Assault or something.
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Well thinking about it I can think of some really awesome visuals from this scenario.
I imagine a barbarian full on rage-face screaming bloody murder with a giant maul in hand charging on his mount standing on its back at his opponent only to jump off at the last moment to pummel the poor sucker to bloody bits while his mount proceeds to begin likewise tear into them.
Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with the mechanical benefit from using a lance with pounce, it is simply that from my side of the table where I am responsible for describing the world and having it make sense, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for such a thing to happen barring multiple passes.
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If you need verisimilitude that badly you could rule that only the first attack gets the benefit of the charge's momentum, but you should then apply it to all weapons.
On the other hand, take "Spirited Charge" to mean that you just get fired up by the charge, and that boosts the damage. You can full attack with the lance normally anyway, right?
I'd have to see both in action to know which was a better call.
-Drillboss
Simple thing really but "charging" is a full round action, even on a mount... Full attacking is also a full round action. Since you only have one a round...
Of course this doesn't help with the pounce thing... but considering the AC penalties they are taking (among other issues) I'm not too hurt by this.
I've got a secondary question to ask. Can the mount pounce on a charge, while you just simply spirited charge and then after the pounce you move past them? Wondering for a summoner I'm making
I've got a secondary question to ask. Can the mount pounce on a charge, while you just simply spirited charge and then after the pounce you move past them? Wondering for a summoner I'm making
You mean with ride by attack?
Currently I'm seeing a yes, and have designed a scimitar using Cavalier/Duelist based on this fact (riding a lion... he's a lion tamer from a circus).