If the options are Joss Whedon fan fiction or yet another reality show, I'm all for thinly-veiled re-writes and fan fiction masquerading as good television.
If the options are Joss Whedon fan fiction or yet another reality show, I'm all for thinly-veiled re-writes and fan fiction masquerading as good television.
Screw both. I'm reading a book.
Screw both. I'm reading a book.
I'm illiterate.
Screw both. I'm reading a book.I'm illiterate.
How are you participating on a messageboard, then?
I'm illiterate.How are you participating on a messageboard, then?
Your grasp of the obvious is impeccable.
The entrance to any building is public property...
Wrong my friend. The sidewalk outside my house is public, my doorway is not. I own that, a private ownership. I tell you to leave, and you dont, you violate my Rights, and I can press charges.
That is why reporters can stand at your front door.
No they cant. They do so until told to leave
Your grasp of the obvious is impeccable.I'm illiterate.How are you participating on a messageboard, then?
I thought you were using one of those bark-and-type thingies that were all the rage a few years ago.
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One thing that hasn't been discussed is the media's (ir)responsibility in convering this event. They were the ones who provided free advertising to this nutjob...now that they've got the headlines and the traffic after reporting it, some are backing off (AP and Faux News). ABC, CBS, and NBC have said that they will cover it like any other event.
So my question is this...how much culpability should the media have? Sure it would have had some visibility through self-promotion by the church, but there's no way it would have reached the fever pitch that it has.
One thing that hasn't been discussed is the media's (ir)responsibility in convering this event. They were the ones who provided free advertising to this nutjob...now that they've got the headlines and the traffic after reporting it, some are backing off (AP and Faux News). ABC, CBS, and NBC have said that they will cover it like any other event.
So my question is this...how much culpability should the media have? Sure it would have had some visibility through self-promotion by the church, but there's no way it would have reached the fever pitch that it has.
There was a day the media's job was to keep politics *somewhat* honest. Watergate etc.
Over time, Media learned they could create, steer the news, not just report it.
Now, you dont have the media, you have the Liberal Media and the Conservative Media
I just had a discussion with a poster who was QQing Fox News, while quoting HuffPo.
Media has become an integral part of the political machine. Kool Aid stands serve up hate to an unsuspecting public, and they drink lasciviously from partial facts, and steered commentary
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Now, you dont have the media, you have the Liberal Media and the Conservative Media
I just had a discussion with a poster who was QQing Fox News, while quoting HuffPo.
Media has become an integral part of the political machine. Kool Aid stands serve up hate to an unsuspecting public, and they drink lasciviously from partial facts, and steered commentary
Uh guy, I'm an atheist. And I have no idea what bulldust has to do with anything.That church is not responsible for other peoples actions. Murdering people over a book is a huge overreaction. f#&* them, I say.Its amazing how religious people can be so selective, oh those people that killed people because aren't proper members of the faith.. Bulldust they identify with the faith, their supporters identify with the faith, and if you deny their faith you deny yours. You are dodging responsibility and complicit because you fail to act in opposition.
One one hand you say my "Holy books don't kill people people kill people".... Then you have the hide to argue that other peoples Holy books tell people to kill people HYPOCRISY in the extreme.
Mothman put my argument far more eloquently than I did....
I am a secular humanist and a Skeptic btw along with Carl Sagan, Joss Whedon, Frank Zappa, James Randi, Terry Pratchett, Gene Roddenberry, Salman Rushdie, Albert Einstein, and Roger Ebert.
So Kirth & Jared you are not alone in your Atheism.
And none of this has anything to do with some idiot who claims beliefs he does not in fact follow doing something ignorant in Florida.
Shameless thread self-plug.Now, you dont have the media, you have the Liberal Media and the Conservative Media
I just had a discussion with a poster who was QQing Fox News, while quoting HuffPo.
Media has become an integral part of the political machine. Kool Aid stands serve up hate to an unsuspecting public, and they drink lasciviously from partial facts, and steered commentary
Just as long as its not a shameless self but-plug. That would just be TMI
Just as long as its not a shameless self but-plug. That would just be TMI
Then, for the love of god, do NOT rent "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."
Just as long as its not a shameless self but-plug. That would just be TMIThen, for the love of god, do NOT rent "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."
Takes note...do not rent this movie..... Good tip
Takes note...do not rent this movie..... Good tipJust as long as its not a shameless self but-plug. That would just be TMIThen, for the love of god, do NOT rent "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."
Makes note...rent this movie.
Makes note...rent this movie.Takes note...do not rent this movie..... Good tipJust as long as its not a shameless self but-plug. That would just be TMIThen, for the love of god, do NOT rent "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo."
See what happens when you can't read?
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Timothy McVeigh...but I guess these won't fit the "suicide" descriptor. If anything that makes x-ian terrorists more dangerous b/c they live to bomb another day.Northern Ireland, the abortion clinic bomber, the man who shot Dr. George Tiler in church, etc..
When you have Christian suicide bombers taking out marketplaces and police stations, then we'll have something to dialogue about.
I would think there would be some difference between the organized terrorism of muslim extremists who number in the thousands vs. the occasional lunatic who decides to take his anger out on abortion clinics.
Because by that logic, we can now lump all environmentalists and atheists as terrorists too because of the Discovery Channel gunman.And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
The northern Ireland conflict was frightfully organized. Both sides employed death squads that would kidnap then murder rival members. They had roadblocks set up at street corners asking motorists if they were catholics or protestants then if they answered incorrectly were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. Whole residential city streets were burned down. This conflict was well organized on both sides. Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.
Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.
All facets of all religion has used guerrilla tactics in war for centuries.
Essentially, the winning side writes history in such a fashion that demonizes the enemy, while portraying their side as in the right.
War is war. And whether youre a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, there will always be events where brutality will occur. Not because of faith, or lack there or, but because the human species is a violent piece of sh(this post has been ended by the politically correct posting system)
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The northern Ireland conflict was frightfully organized. Both sides employed death squads that would kidnap then murder rival members. They had roadblocks set up at street corners asking motorists if they were catholics or protestants then if they answered incorrectly were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. Whole residential city streets were burned down. This conflict was well organized on both sides. Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.Timothy McVeigh...but I guess these won't fit the "suicide" descriptor. If anything that makes x-ian terrorists more dangerous b/c they live to bomb another day.Northern Ireland, the abortion clinic bomber, the man who shot Dr. George Tiler in church, etc..
When you have Christian suicide bombers taking out marketplaces and police stations, then we'll have something to dialogue about.
I would think there would be some difference between the organized terrorism of muslim extremists who number in the thousands vs. the occasional lunatic who decides to take his anger out on abortion clinics.
Because by that logic, we can now lump all environmentalists and atheists as terrorists too because of the Discovery Channel gunman.And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
Americans didn't die, therefore it obviously isn't important. Terrorism is when you kill Americans. Haven't you learned that yet?
The northern Ireland conflict was frightfully organized. Both sides employed death squads that would kidnap then murder rival members. They had roadblocks set up at street corners asking motorists if they were catholics or protestants then if they answered incorrectly were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. Whole residential city streets were burned down. This conflict was well organized on both sides. Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.Timothy McVeigh...but I guess these won't fit the "suicide" descriptor. If anything that makes x-ian terrorists more dangerous b/c they live to bomb another day.Northern Ireland, the abortion clinic bomber, the man who shot Dr. George Tiler in church, etc..
When you have Christian suicide bombers taking out marketplaces and police stations, then we'll have something to dialogue about.
I would think there would be some difference between the organized terrorism of muslim extremists who number in the thousands vs. the occasional lunatic who decides to take his anger out on abortion clinics.
Because by that logic, we can now lump all environmentalists and atheists as terrorists too because of the Discovery Channel gunman.And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
Tim Was a douche. That is all anyone needs to know about him. He liked Iron Maiden, did that cause him to decide to blow up a building too, no?
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Tim Was a douche. That is all anyone needs to know about him. He liked Iron Maiden, did that cause him to decide to blow up a building too, no?The northern Ireland conflict was frightfully organized. Both sides employed death squads that would kidnap then murder rival members. They had roadblocks set up at street corners asking motorists if they were catholics or protestants then if they answered incorrectly were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. Whole residential city streets were burned down. This conflict was well organized on both sides. Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.Timothy McVeigh...but I guess these won't fit the "suicide" descriptor. If anything that makes x-ian terrorists more dangerous b/c they live to bomb another day.Northern Ireland, the abortion clinic bomber, the man who shot Dr. George Tiler in church, etc..
When you have Christian suicide bombers taking out marketplaces and police stations, then we'll have something to dialogue about.
I would think there would be some difference between the organized terrorism of muslim extremists who number in the thousands vs. the occasional lunatic who decides to take his anger out on abortion clinics.
Because by that logic, we can now lump all environmentalists and atheists as terrorists too because of the Discovery Channel gunman.And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
And this doesn't apply to bin Laden, why exactly?
He liked Iron Maiden, did that cause him to decide to blow up a building too, no?
Oh, man, I'm in trouble now!
And this doesn't apply to bin Laden, why exactly?
It applies perfectly within the context of this thread. Nobody would be freaking out because some backwoods nutjob was threatening to burn a boatload of Iron Maiden CDs for fear of inciting another Timothy McVeigh.
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Americans didn't die, therefore it obviously isn't important. Terrorism is when you kill Americans. Haven't you learned that yet?The northern Ireland conflict was frightfully organized. Both sides employed death squads that would kidnap then murder rival members. They had roadblocks set up at street corners asking motorists if they were catholics or protestants then if they answered incorrectly were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. Whole residential city streets were burned down. This conflict was well organized on both sides. Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.Timothy McVeigh...but I guess these won't fit the "suicide" descriptor. If anything that makes x-ian terrorists more dangerous b/c they live to bomb another day.Northern Ireland, the abortion clinic bomber, the man who shot Dr. George Tiler in church, etc..
When you have Christian suicide bombers taking out marketplaces and police stations, then we'll have something to dialogue about.
I would think there would be some difference between the organized terrorism of muslim extremists who number in the thousands vs. the occasional lunatic who decides to take his anger out on abortion clinics.
Because by that logic, we can now lump all environmentalists and atheists as terrorists too because of the Discovery Channel gunman.And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
I definitely agree that that's part of it, but I also believe it has to do with geography. The US is so far removed from the goings on of Ireland that it simply doesn't register. Much like the level of help seen after Haiti earthquake vs. Pakistani flooding (I hope). It seems like people just don't give a sh!t about the Pakistanis...hell even the x-ian nutters that claimed that Haiti brought it on itself b/c of voodoo didn't blame Pakistan's faith for the floods.
That being said, it's funny when you mention the crusades, inquisition, salem witch trials, IRA, abortion clinic bombers, and the dude who shot George Tiler as x-ian terrorists. Much stuttering and excuses ensue.
The person you link to admits to being a Whedon fan himself. Thing is I liked the Buffy series far more than I did Angel for the themes it explored, essentially how many ways it can suck to be a teenager, especially a teenage superhero.
My mistake friend, I thought everyone on here knew of my insane hatred for Joss Whedon and his thinly-veiled re-writes and fan fiction masquerading as good television. For a brief synopsis of why I hate Joss Whedon, please see this link.
Oh, I know they're a Whedon fan too, that's why I like the article so much. It means something when a fan can admit the hideous flaws the person they're...fanning over?...has to others.
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And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
Really? That's odd, because in a Time Magazine interview in 2001, McVeigh admitted that he'd lost touch with his Catholic roots, but that he maintained he still believed in God. So, I guess he was one of those atheists...
------------------------------------Time: Are you religious?
McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.
Time: Do you believe in God?
McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.
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Wretched God-Fearing Atheists!!!
And this doesn't apply to bin Laden, why exactly?Tim Was a douche. That is all anyone needs to know about him. He liked Iron Maiden, did that cause him to decide to blow up a building too, no?The northern Ireland conflict was frightfully organized. Both sides employed death squads that would kidnap then murder rival members. They had roadblocks set up at street corners asking motorists if they were catholics or protestants then if they answered incorrectly were pulled from their vehicles and beaten. Whole residential city streets were burned down. This conflict was well organized on both sides. Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.Timothy McVeigh...but I guess these won't fit the "suicide" descriptor. If anything that makes x-ian terrorists more dangerous b/c they live to bomb another day.Northern Ireland, the abortion clinic bomber, the man who shot Dr. George Tiler in church, etc..
When you have Christian suicide bombers taking out marketplaces and police stations, then we'll have something to dialogue about.
I would think there would be some difference between the organized terrorism of muslim extremists who number in the thousands vs. the occasional lunatic who decides to take his anger out on abortion clinics.
Because by that logic, we can now lump all environmentalists and atheists as terrorists too because of the Discovery Channel gunman.And for the record, McVeigh was raised Catholic but became an agnostic and some stuff I read about him suggested he was an atheist.
I never met Bin Laden. My mother was next door neighbors with Tim's accomplice and lets just say I did not get along with them well.
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Wretched Atheists!!!
I fixed your post for you. ;-)
And for the record, I pulled my info from a 2001 CNN interview with two reporters who wrote a book:
McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, "What if there is a heaven and hell?" He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon -- "adapt, improvise, and overcome." Death to him is all part of the adventure.
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That being said, it's funny when you mention the crusades, inquisition, salem witch trials, IRA, abortion clinic bombers, and the dude who shot George Tiler as x-ian terrorists. Much stuttering and excuses ensue..Heheh... ah, that was a good one.
Thanks for the hyperbole.
I fail to see the hyperbole. Those are all acts of terrorism committed by christians. I also don't understand why you're laughing. I find nothing funny about those acts; in fact I find them abhorrent.
Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.I was referring to the abortion clinic nutjobs, not the IRA but don't let that get in the way of your strawman arguments.
Actually, I agree with JM a bit CJ, but I'd move some of his words around so that they make more sense: I would say that the IRA was a terrorist organisation that was christian/catholic, not so much a christian organization that was made up of terrorists. I think syntax plays a role here, and keeps it from going all strawman on us.
Actually, I agree with JM a bit CJ, but I'd move some of his words around so that they make more sense: I would say that the IRA was a terrorist organisation that was christian/catholic, not so much a christian organization that was made up of terrorists. I think syntax plays a role here, and keeps it from going all strawman on us.Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.I was referring to the abortion clinic nutjobs, not the IRA but don't let that get in the way of your strawman arguments.
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Actually, I agree with JM a bit CJ, but I'd move some of his words around so that they make more sense: I would say that the IRA was a terrorist organisation that was christian/catholic, not so much a christian organization that was made up of terrorists. I think syntax plays a role here, and keeps it from going all strawman on us.Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.I was referring to the abortion clinic nutjobs, not the IRA but don't let that get in the way of your strawman arguments.
Again, where did I refer to the IRA in my previous statement? I know what he's saying, frankly I don't know enough about that whole mess to comment on it.
Again, where did I refer to the IRA in my previous statement? I know what he's saying, frankly I don't know enough about that whole mess to comment on it.Actually, I agree with JM a bit CJ, but I'd move some of his words around so that they make more sense: I would say that the IRA was a terrorist organisation that was christian/catholic, not so much a christian organization that was made up of terrorists. I think syntax plays a role here, and keeps it from going all strawman on us.Frankly your supposition that christians didn't have organized terror cells is BS at it's finest.I was referring to the abortion clinic nutjobs, not the IRA but don't let that get in the way of your strawman arguments.
WHOOPS! I think I got my initials mixed up. Sorry about that, dood!
That being said, it's funny when you mention the crusades, inquisition, salem witch trials, IRA, abortion clinic bombers, and the dude who shot George Tiler as x-ian terrorists. Much stuttering and excuses ensue.
About the crusades, inquisition, and salem witch trials, these things happened centuries ago. That isn't to say they weren't horrible attrocities of power, but at some point people need to stop hanging ever single bad thing that has ever been done on people that weren't even of a figment of a thought at the time. I don't need to hear about how some Christian who farted 300 years ago had a stinky ass. Let it go.
IRA, yeah very terrorist-ish. But as they say, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Abortion clinic bombers are terrorists certainly. Of course, if we want to try and stop people from doing things that incite crazies to act, like burning sacred books. Then isn't it only logical to carry that restriction to abortion providers? They do acts that incite crazies as well, as the bombing of abortion clinics proves. So should we put a stop to all abortion providers in the name of safety from the crazies?
Christian that killed Tiller, was not a terrorist. He was a stalker and a murderer. What is the difference? He did not use terror tactics and target innocent bystanders. He had a specfic target and killed that target. He didn't open fire into Tiller's church, instead he jumped in his car and ran. He is a murderer, plain and simple.
About the crusades, inquisition, and salem witch trials, these things happened centuries ago. That isn't to say they weren't horrible attrocities of power, but at some point people need to stop hanging ever single bad thing that has ever been done on people that weren't even of a figment of a thought at the time. I don't need to hear about how some Christian who farted 300 years ago had a stinky ass. Let it go.
Its tough to let it go when it continues.
IRA, yeah very terrorist-ish. But as they say, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Bin Laden considers himself a freedom fighter. This is called, rationalization
Abortion clinic bombers are terrorists certainly. Of course, if we want to try and stop people from doing things that incite crazies to act, like burning sacred books. Then isn't it only logical to carry that restriction to abortion providers? They do acts that incite crazies as well, as the bombing of abortion clinics proves. So should we put a stop to all abortion providers in the name of safety from the crazies?
Apples to Oranges my friend. Burning Books and Killing People are two very different things.
Christian that killed Tiller, was not a terrorist. He was a stalker and a murderer. What is the difference? He did not use terror tactics and target innocent bystanders. He had a specfic target and killed that target. He didn't open fire into Tiller's church, instead he jumped in his car and ran. He is a murderer, plain and simple.
I can agree here
I believe Timothy McVeigh asked for a Catholic priest before his execution. Perhaps he decided at the last minute it wouldn't hurt to play it safe just in case God exists.
What is the saying, there are no atheists on death row or in foxholes?
Apples to Oranges my friend. Burning Books and Killing People are two very different things.
I'm not sure if I would describe abortion doctors as "killing people", but I understand that some might.
Apples to Oranges my friend. Burning Books and Killing People are two very different things.I'm not sure if I would describe abortion doctors as "killing people", but I understand that some might.
The Christian Terrorist kills the doctor
The Christian Terrorist kills the doctorApples to Oranges my friend. Burning Books and Killing People are two very different things.I'm not sure if I would describe abortion doctors as "killing people", but I understand that some might.
I guess I don't understand what you're discussing then.
I was comparing
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I wasn't comparing people that burn books to those that shoot abortion doctors. I'm not exactly sure where that came from.
Christian that killed Tiller, was not a terrorist. He was a stalker and a murderer. What is the difference? He did not use terror tactics and target innocent bystanders. He had a specfic target and killed that target. He didn't open fire into Tiller's church, instead he jumped in his car and ran. He is a murderer, plain and simple.
I disagree. I'd argue part of Scott Roeder's motivation to murder Tiller was to terrorize other women's healthcare professionals who provide access to abortion. He didn't indiscriminately kill others, but psychologically he was targeting other doctors and nurses.
Roeder's ex-wife did testify that explosives found in her ex-husband's possession in an earlier arrest were part of his plot to blow up a clinic that offers abortions. If that is true, then he does (or did) definitely have the terrorist mindset of one who also kills indiscriminately.
I wasn't comparing people that burn books to those that shoot abortion doctors. I'm not exactly sure where that came from.
That is how it looked to me. I am sorry for the misinterpretation
Christian that killed Tiller, was not a terrorist. He was a stalker and a murderer. What is the difference? He did not use terror tactics and target innocent bystanders. He had a specfic target and killed that target. He didn't open fire into Tiller's church, instead he jumped in his car and ran. He is a murderer, plain and simple.I disagree. I'd argue part of Scott Roeder's motivation to murder Tiller was to terrorize other women's healthcare professionals who provide access to abortion. He didn't indiscriminately kill others, but psychologically he was targeting other doctors and nurses.
Roeder's ex-wife did testify that explosives found in her ex-husband's possession in an earlier arrest were part of his plot to blow up a clinic that offers abortions. If that is true, then he does (or did) definitely have the terrorist mindset of one who also kills indiscriminately.
Having a terrorist mindset and being a terrorist are not the same thing. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. If he had planted those bombs instead of stalking down murdering the doctor in cold blood, then I would agree that he was a terrorist. In the end when he came to the choice to take the terrorist path or the murderer path, he chose the latter. Not that the choice is ultimately any better, but in the end he was just a twisted and sick murderer and not a terrorist.
I wasn't comparing people that burn books to those that shoot abortion doctors. I'm not exactly sure where that came from.That is how it looked to me. I am sorry for the misinterpretation
Hmm, it makes sense to me, but I can see where the confusion might come. How about this:
Abortion clinic bombers are terrorists certainly. Of course, if we want to try and stop people from doing things, like burning sacred books, that incite crazies to act. Then isn't it only logical to carry that restriction to abortion providers? They do acts that incite crazies as well, as the bombing of abortion clinics proves. So should we put a stop to all abortion providers in the name of safety from the crazies?
Does that make it any clearer?
Abortion clinic bombers are terrorists certainly. Of course, if we want to try and stop people from doing things, like burning sacred books, that incite crazies to act. Then isn't it only logical to carry that restriction to abortion providers? They do acts that incite...
I guess this is a matter of perspective. First off, let me clarify
1. I am a Christian
2. I dont agree with the book burning, BUT, I say it is his Right to do. I dont think an Governmental agency should interfere. Simply stating it isnt wise is no big deal.
<tangent>That being said, it is the Right of others to Protest the event just as its the Pastors Right to have the event. It is not my Right to interfere with the event.
Burning the Quran is covered under Freedom of Speech. This Pastor is doing more then making a statement with the threat of burning, he is holding it hostage. You see, he is attempting to coerce the iman from building a mosque near ground zero. Something the Government said isnt wise to do either and shouldnt stop from happening just the same.
What this comes down to in short is this
Just because we have Freedom of Speech, doesnt mean we should exercise idiocy under its blanket of protection.
One other thing, and any of this isnt necessarily directed at you in particular.
Freedom of Speech means just that, any speech. I will fight to protect your Right to say what you wish, no matter how inane, hateful, bigoted it is.
Freedom of Speech means you say what you want, not just what I agree with, and the Government cannot interfere.</tangent off>
I have issues when people interfere with others rights, because of some perceived moral boundary.
What is the saying, there are no atheists on death row or in foxholes?
I love the fact that there's a whole organization of combat veterans now called Atheists in Foxholes, who echo my thoughts: "When you're about to get killed, you worry about how to get out alive. You're sure as hell not thinking about God or the meaning of life or any other grand metaphysical questions."
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What is the saying, there are no atheists on death row or in foxholes?I love the fact that there's a whole organization of combat veterans now called Atheists in Foxholes, who echo my thoughts: "When you're about to get killed, you worry about how to get out alive. You're sure as hell not thinking about God or the meaning of life or any other grand metaphysical questions."
Thanks for that link Kirth.