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Eminem wants to be the Riddler
The Problem is this - Who is the Riddler Personality and intellect-wise in this modern Nolan Take on Batman?
Does some Serial killer GangstaRapper from the burbs even qualify for the intellectual machinations of the Riddler or are we looking for an intellectual Powerhouse who can play Batman off against Bruce Wayne?
No, that's stupid.
Eminem for Riddler? I'm okay with that, he's an excellent actor, and while not as "classically educated" as others, he's very intelligent. Far better choice than a hundred others, as far as a Nolan version goes.
Edward Norton since he's not Bruce Banner anymore. A good slap in the face for Marvel as I am sure he would kick ass in that role. Plus he's ideal for the Riddler. Joseph Gordon-Levitt just wouldn't have the clout and screen prescence Norton has.
I vote for DJ Qualls.
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Edward Norton since he's not Bruce Banner anymore. A good slap in the face for Marvel as I am sure he would kick ass in that role. Plus he's ideal for the Riddler. Joseph Gordon-Levitt just wouldn't have the clout and screen prescence Norton has.
You act like it's impossible for an actor to be in both a Marvel and a DC franchise. It's not. While she admittedly sucked in both roles, Halle Berry was both Catwoman and Storm.
Edward Norton since he's not Bruce Banner anymore. A good slap in the face for Marvel as I am sure he would kick ass in that role. Plus he's ideal for the Riddler. Joseph Gordon-Levitt just wouldn't have the clout and screen prescence Norton has.You act like it's impossible for an actor to be in both a Marvel and a DC franchise. It's not. While she admittedly sucked in both roles, Halle Berry was both Catwoman and Storm.
What are you talking about? I never said anything about actors not being able to star in both Marvel and DC movies. I am not "acting"(????) any particular way at all. Marvel dismissed him as his role in the Hulk so wouldn't it be poetic justice if he played a huge role in DC's biggest movie franchise?
I don't think Norton or Marvel will have any future negotiations due to the bitternesss on their parting. Norton in both a Marvel and DC comics role sounds like an impossibility to me. Not that other actors couldn't carry it off.
The problem with Ed Norton is that he is difficult to work with. There is a growing list of directors who won't work with him. And most of them are people who have worked with him before. He is an excellent and extremely talented actor, but people like that can be a major pain to deal with in a professional capacity.
From what I understand about The Incredible Hulk and Norton was that he was displeased the way the movie direction was heading. He was offered a lot of creative control over the movie at first and everything turned bottom up when a lot of footage he wanted included was cut or added to the bonus scenes on the Blu-Ray version. Norton's story or scenes were character driven and dialogue oriented and I assume Marvel's heart rate pumped up considering Ang Lee's direction of the Hulk. It turned into a mess and Norton ended up grudgingly endorsing the film despite the differences between him and Marvel.
That sounds like a legitimate beef with the starpower involved: Roth, Norton, Tyler and Hurt. The movie certainly fell flat considering expectations.
That aside, he would still make a great Riddler.
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Edward Norton since he's not Bruce Banner anymore. A good slap in the face for Marvel as I am sure he would kick ass in that role.
The word "since" implies that if he were still playing Bruce Banner, he either couldn't play the Riddler, or wouldn't be a good choice. That's why I said you were acting as if it were impossible to play both roles.
That being said, I don't think Halle Berry's role as Storm, a team driven comic book movie and a seperate Catwoman movie is the same iconic figure as the Hulk and the Riddler in a Batman movie (one of the biggest box office smashes ever). I am sure there's a conflict of interest between Marvel and DC there having someone with Ed Norton's clout play both huge roles. Maybe not, but I doubt it. Call me crazy.
So when I think about it, yes, I think he would have to choose one or the other or he wold be ousted from one of the roles. But I doubt Norton would be headed back into the comic book realm anytime soon after the Hulk debacle.
Ryan Reynolds is playing both Green Lantern and Deadpool in the upcoming Deadpool movie. Reprising his role from X-Men Origins: Wolverine. He is considered quite an up and coming actor, and is frankly getting more work than Ed Norton is lately.
Ryan Reynolds is playing both Green Lantern and Deadpool in the upcoming Deadpool movie. Reprising his role from X-Men Origins: Wolverine. He is considered quite an up and coming actor, and is frankly getting more work than Ed Norton is lately.
I like Ryan Reynolds but I wouldn't put him in the same caliber an actor as Norton, whether he is getting more work or not. He has played in a lot of bad roles as well, so I don't know if he is quite as choosy about the work he gets. Can you see Norton choosing a role starring in a remake of The Amityville Horror? Green Lantern should help his career but I think Reynolds gets these roles due to his buffed body rather than his thespian ability. I wouldn't call Deadpool a major role either after his appearance in Wolverine, which took a lot of flak about the variation from the comic. I really think this movie will flop badly if he maintains the character he played in the Wolverine spinoff. Still this bridges the gap between DC and Marvel more so than Halle Berry.
There's a difference between talent and marketability, and Hollywood tends to put more emphasis on marketability. And while you may think that Ed Norton is more talented than Ryan Reynolds, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that he's more marketable right now.
I don't know about marketability, but I assume Reynolds would readily accept more things that slide across his plate than Norton. Norton has turned down a number of roles in some pretty successful movies (Private Ryan in Saving Private Ryan, Hart's War, Runaway Jury, The original Hulk movie directed by Ang Lee) so he picks his roles carefully.
I think Norton got a bad rap from the Marvel deal from what I've read and it may have negatively affected his marketability somewhat. Whether he is a prima donna, I don't know. Reynolds has that flip, glib side to him as well as the muscles so he is ideal for leading man roles in superhero movies or Romcoms which dominate the box office right now. Norton tends to play troubled, intelligent characters in dialogue oriented movies which may not rake in the moulah as the Hollywood blockbusters. Or as plentiful.
Still I would much rather watch an intelligent, absorbing film such as American History X, 25th Hour or the upcoming Stone than a man with muscles and a sword or a ring, putting away supervillains. Or playing mail order bride to Sandra Bullock or whoever. Not that there's anything wrong with that; just my preference.
Or playing mail order bride to Sandra Bullock or whoever.
That's still open?
*tears off one of those "take a strip of paper" strips of paper and calls the number*
Paul Betany would be great as the Riddler.
The current rumor is Johnny Depp, of course they also have him playing the Docter in the new American Dr. Who movie. Of course the rumor is the the current Dr. is stepping down after the Christmas special so who knows.
The person I had heard not that long ago though, who was said to have the part, was Joseph Gordon-Levitt. As strange as that may sound.
I have to say though, that is the least sexy Catwoman costume ever.
oh and the movie is called:
Shadow of the Bat
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The current rumor is Johnny Depp, of course they also have him playing the Docter in the new American Dr. Who movie. Of course the rumor is the the current Dr. is stepping down after the Christmas special so who knows.
Er, Matt Smith is filming the new series of Doctor Who now. It's also going to still have Amy and Rory. And the Johnny Depp thing has been denied on quite a few occassions.
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Gorden-levett would work, I think. You need someone who can go from serious to funny in 6 seconds. I wish they'd risk the role on a relative unknwon though, like Matt Austin
Riddler himself
He decides the best way to bring the Bat out is to create another villian, similar to, but not exactly like the Joker. With police help, he stages a crime in his new 'costumed identity' to bring out the Batman. Bonus points if this costumed identity is 'Cluemaster' and if he is shown to have a daughter.
One problem, he finds he likes the thrill. voila! The Riddler is born, in kind of a backwards method from the comics. You also could have fun with the staged crime, he is the over the top Frank Gorshin style Riddler (why not? He knows the cops are ready to spring their trap), with him becoming more the DCAU/The Batman style Riddler once he starts being a real criminal.
The current rumor is Johnny Depp, of course they also have him playing the Docter in the new American Dr. Who movie. Of course the rumor is the the current Dr. is stepping down after the Christmas special so who knows.Er, Matt Smith is filming the new series of Doctor Who now. It's also going to still have Amy and Rory. And the Johnny Depp thing has been denied on quite a few occassions.
Oh good! I had not looked for quite some time.
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The current rumor is Johnny Depp, of course they also have him playing the Docter in the new American Dr. Who movie. Of course the rumor is the the current Dr. is stepping down after the Christmas special so who knows.Er, Matt Smith is filming the new series of Doctor Who now. It's also going to still have Amy and Rory. And the Johnny Depp thing has been denied on quite a few occassions.
Not to get off topic, but there has been discussions of Russell T. Davies producing an American movie version of Doctor Who that is completely separated from the BBC TV series. It is for this that Johnny Depp is rumored.
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Gorden-levett would work, I think. You need someone who can go from serious to funny in 6 seconds. I wish they'd risk the role on a relative unknwon though, like Matt Austin
Riddler himself
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I like the idea, of course though at some point you'd have to add the Spoiler :)
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Not to get off topic, but there has been discussions of Russell T. Davies producing an American movie version of Doctor Who that is completely separated from the BBC TV series. It is for this that Johnny Depp is rumored.
Will it be titled "The Bastardization" ?
And RTD in charge? I wager there's not a single heterosexual character in the show.
And RTD in charge? I wager there's not a single heterosexual character in the show.
I wish!
I personally believe the Riddler should be a new face or a rarely seen actor. For me Heath Ledger ruined the Joker role for me.
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OK, here's straight from Nolan's mouth. The new Batman will be called "The Dark Knight Rises". He has still not confirmed any villains but he has said 2 villains that will not be in it. 1) Mr Freeze is not an option. 2) The Riddler. Neither of those will be villains in this movie according to Nolan.
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OK, here's straight from Nolan's mouth. The new Batman will be called "The Dark Knight Rises". He has still not confirmed any villains but he has said 2 villains that will not be in it. 1) Mr Freeze is not an option. 2) The Riddler. Neither of those will be villains in this movie according to Nolan.
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Well if it's Catwoman, than the Dark Knight 'rising' might be a double entandre ;-)
Seriously, if they're eliminating the Riddler from running, Hugo Strange might be a good choice, or a feint like:
I'm not a fan of the title. The Dark Knight Rises sounds like a prequel, and slapping a word after the title to the last movie just seems lazy.
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Ryan Reynolds is playing both Green Lantern and Deadpool in the upcoming Deadpool movie. Reprising his role from X-Men Origins: Wolverine. He is considered quite an up and coming actor, and is frankly getting more work than Ed Norton is lately.
Green Lantern and Deadpool in the same movie??? SWEEET!
Also, yea, "The Dark Knight Rises" is a horrible title.
Ryan Reynolds is playing both Green Lantern and Deadpool in the upcoming Deadpool movie. Reprising his role from X-Men Origins: Wolverine. He is considered quite an up and coming actor, and is frankly getting more work than Ed Norton is lately.Please tell me your kidding. That movie ruined Deadpool.
Both Reynolds and the lady producing the movie have stated they want to throw Origins out the window and start fresh with Deadpool.
It doesnt matter how smart or not Eminem is or not as the lines are given to you and you just present them; the writer has to be smart. Personally I think Johnny Depp would be better; but i still think the Riddler should be played a bit crazy; zany; overwrought emotion and have a brilliant writer who can really sell the genius inventor and trickster that the Riddler should be. The actor needs to be able to sell the madness, yet still draw the audience to him as credible and the audience need to like him and be able to understand both his passion and his chargrin at his situation of getting screwed by corporate america. I would have the Riddler taking on the DC version of Enron; selling it as Enron-esk so we can all hate them; have them screw over lots of people and the Riddler getting even; but Batman coming in stop the riddler from taking vegence; confuse the audience on who to cheer for until the end.
hey, but that is just me.
Not to get off topic, but there has been discussions of Russell T. Davies producing an American movie version of Doctor Who that is completely separated from the BBC TV series. It is for this that Johnny Depp is rumored.Will it be titled "The Bastardization" ?
And RTD in charge? I wager there's not a single heterosexual character in the show.
Then it should be a Torchwood movie ;)
I'd throw the whole audience off by having the actor protraying the Riddler actually not be the Riddler... Like at the beginning of the movie, having the Riddler be an unknown person sending Riddles and causing more and more havoc as the movie goes along.
Then the audience get to see who the Riddler is near the middle of the movie (say, for the sake of this conversation, it's Eminem). Then Batman finds out... Then a big race against the clock to stop a bomb or something... Then a fight with the Riddler near the 3/4 point in the movie, where the villain dies.
And when you think that all is well, another riddle comes along, sending everything you thought you knew out the window. The REAL Riddler turns out to be some old lady, or a quadraplegic guy in a wheelchair or something... Someone we've seen once or twice during the movie, but in the background, creating an OMG moment (like in SAW).
Anyway, of course, Batman would figure it out and thwart the Riddler's plans in the end... But never REALLY being certain 100% that THAT was the real Riddler.
Wouldn't that be cool?
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Rumored female shortlist for two roles in The Dark Knight Rises. Let the speculation begin.
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Rumored female shortlist for two roles in The Dark Knight Rises. Let the speculation begin.
More info here. A female villian? Could we have Talia? Please? Or maybe with Tom Hardy rumoured to play a villian, a Bane that is more than hulk smash?
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Bruce spends a lot of the time when he's not investigating the murders or out-running the cops angsting over whether he should continue to be Batman (like he's got a choice). And the female villain is explained as ** spoiler omitted ** It sounds like Nolan's style - no powers, very neo-noir Batman.
I'm sure it would get the purists in an uproar but
Rumour mill has started on the internet that Tom Hardy of Inception fame will be playing Batman nemesis, Dr. Hugo Strange in The Dark Knight Rises.
The "Prey" storyline and an episode of Batman: The Animated Series have Strange finding out Batman's secret identity as Bruce Wayne. The "Prey" storyline would tie in well with The Dark Knight as Batman is already on the run and Gordon will set up a task force to track him down.
No word on the head female role yet, but it's been said Anne Hathaway and Rachel Weisz are front runners. Sounds like Catwoman to me with Strange as the main villain probably taking Talia al Ghul out of the equation. Catwoman has been tied to Strange in recent issues of Batman.
Rumour mill has started on the internet that Tom Hardy of Inception fame will be playing Batman nemesis, Dr. Hugo Strange in The Dark Knight Rises.
The "Prey" storyline and an episode of Batman: The Animated Series have Strange finding out Batman's secret identity as Bruce Wayne. The "Prey" storyline would tie in well with The Dark Knight as Batman is already on the run and Gordon will set up a task force to track him down.
No word on the head female role yet, but it's been said Anne Hathaway and Rachel Weisz are front runners. Sounds like Catwoman to me with Strange as the main villain probably taking Talia al Ghul out of the equation. Catwoman has been tied to Strange in recent issues of Batman.
And after going back and looking of my copies of Legends of the Dark Knight, Catwoman is also in Prey.
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Last I heard, Catwoman's still a definite maybe, but Nolan is avoiding any power-enhanced or mystic Batman characters. I believe that's why he nix'ed Mr. Freeze. Although it would've been refreshing to maybe get a live-action version of the very dignified Mr. Freeze from The Animated Series.
How is Michael Ansara looking these days? ;-)
And yes, the animated Mr. Freeze made the character awesome.
"Think of it, Batman: to never again walk on a summer's day, with the hot wind in your face and a warm hand to hold. Oh, yes. I'd kill for that."
And from Batman Beyond:
Batman: You've got to get out of here, Freeze! The whole place is going to go!
Mr. Freeze: Believe me, you're the only one who cares.
I have to agree the Batman: The Animated Series was fantastic. And that Mr. Freeze episode on his origin was a classic. Loved Batman's reaction when he saw the tape of the lab conflict.
I also liked the origin of Harvey Dent into Two-Face. The dual personality, his temper bursts. Such intelligent and great writing!
Did you know that the origin of Harley Quinn came from the series?