Damage reduction.


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Grand Lodge

I ran into a slight issue with the overcoming damage reduction rules. There isn't anything saying a magical weapon can overcome DR X/slashing, bludgeoning, or piercing, yet the rules support going through other materials one would think having a powerful enough weapon would overcome.

Long story short I was running an archer paladin against a dracolich, and I was out of smites that day, we had fought a marilith, a homebrew demon twice, a homebrew cthulu-type thing, a lich who was on top of the dracolich, a succubus, her two vrock minions, and the lich's bodyguards. Mind you I'm only level 12. Yes we are well over our heads, but we kept winning.

Side note: does a dracolich's attacks count as magical and/or evil? I haven't seen anything suggesting this.

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Kais86 wrote:

I ran into a slight issue with the overcoming damage reduction rules. There isn't anything saying a magical weapon can overcome DR X/slashing, bludgeoning, or piercing, yet the rules support going through other materials one would think having a powerful enough weapon would overcome.

Long story short I was running an archer paladin against a dracolich, and I was out of smites that day, we had fought a marilith, a homebrew demon twice, a homebrew cthulu-type thing, a lich who was on top of the dracolich, a succubus, her two vrock minions, and the lich's bodyguards. Mind you I'm only level 12. Yes we are well over our heads, but we kept winning.

Side note: does a dracolich's attacks count as magical and/or evil? I haven't seen anything suggesting this.

anything with dr/magic counts as magic for overcoming dr

and whats surprising that using a sword or spear to attack a skeleton isn't very effective (just an example).

Grand Lodge

Name Violation wrote:

anything with dr/magic counts as magic for overcoming dr

and whats surprising that using a sword or spear to attack a skeleton isn't very effective (just an example).

Yeah, but he has DR/bludgeoning and magic, I'm asking if a +10 weapon (hypothetically speaking, I definitely don't have anything nearly that awesome) would overcome the bludgeoning part, like it would for cold iron, silver, and adamantine?


Kais86 wrote:


Yeah, but he has DR/bludgeoning and magic, I'm asking if a +10 weapon (hypothetically speaking, I definitely don't have anything nearly that awesome) would overcome the bludgeoning part, like it would for cold iron, silver, and adamantine?

No. The only things a sufficiently powerful magic weapon overcomes are material DR and alignment DR. Damage type DR isn't overcome by magical weapons, regardless of power.

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Side note: does a dracolich's attacks count as magical and/or evil? I haven't seen anything suggesting this.

Is this the 3.5 WotC Dracolich or the Tome of Horrors Dracolich?

Grand Lodge

Are wrote:

Side note: does a dracolich's attacks count as magical and/or evil? I haven't seen anything suggesting this.

Is this the 3.5 WotC Dracolich or the Tome of Horrors Dracolich?

This is a red dragon with the lich rules. I see that it has DR bludgeoning and magic but I don't see the evil.


Kais86 wrote:


This is a red dragon with the lich rules.

Ok. In that case, its attacks count as magical (only) for the purposes of overcoming DR.

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Kais86 wrote:

I ran into a slight issue with the overcoming damage reduction rules. There isn't anything saying a magical weapon can overcome DR X/slashing, bludgeoning, or piercing, yet the rules support going through other materials one would think having a powerful enough weapon would overcome.

Long story short I was running an archer paladin against a dracolich, and I was out of smites that day, we had fought a marilith, a homebrew demon twice, a homebrew cthulu-type thing, a lich who was on top of the dracolich, a succubus, her two vrock minions, and the lich's bodyguards. Mind you I'm only level 12. Yes we are well over our heads, but we kept winning.

Magic weapons do not overcome slashing, bludgeoning, or piercing. Those types of damage reduction DO require you to have the right types of weapons; magic won't help.

Kais86 wrote:
Side note: does a dracolich's attacks count as magical and/or evil? I haven't seen anything suggesting this.

We don't have dracoliches in Pathfinder; they're closed content and intellectual property owned by Wizards of the Coast; that's why you haven't seen anything in our rules suggesting an answer there. In the Pathfinder RPG, you can make a dragon lich simply by putting the lich template onto a dragon, in which case it keeps the abilities to penetrate damage reduction that the dragon and the lich template grant, whatever they may be.

Grand Lodge

Are wrote:
Kais86 wrote:


This is a red dragon with the lich rules.

Ok. In that case, its attacks count as magical (only) for the purposes of overcoming DR.

Good to know the "assistant GM" was more than willing to cheat. Same guy tried stating that he could trip a flying creature as well, who knows why. When I corrected him by reading the trip entry, he got mad. I typically don't play with that guy for a reason.

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