Critical Feats and the APG.

[Dirlaise]

In the APG there are a number of feats that bear remarkable similarities to the Critical Feats in the CRB. Specifically, Bull Rush Strike, Disarming Strike, Repositioning Strike, Sundering Strike, and Tripping Strike.

Now, in the CRB the feats that allow a critical to initiate an extra effect are specifically labeled "Critical" feats. The APG feats mentioned differ from the CRB's feats in that they allow you to apply a combat maneuver to a critical rather than a condition, but they are similar enough to raise a few questions in my mind.

First, despite not being labeled as such, should these feats be considered appropriate to meet the prerequisites for the Critical Mastery feat? If so, would a fighter be able to use Critical Mastery to perform a Disarming Bull Rush Strike?

Second, if these feats are not Critical Feats, does that mean that during any given critical a fighter could apply one of these feats? For example, could a fighter with Critical Mastery and the appropriate feat selection perform a Sickening, Deafening Sundering Strike?

[Themetricsystem]

Dirlaise wrote:

In the APG there are a number of feats that bear remarkable similarities to the Critical Feats in the CRB. Specifically, Bull Rush Strike, Disarming Strike, Repositioning Strike, Sundering Strike, and Tripping Strike.

Now, in the CRB the feats that allow a critical to initiate an extra effect are specifically labeled "Critical" feats. The APG feats mentioned differ from the CRB's feats in that they allow you to apply a combat maneuver to a critical rather than a condition, but they are similar enough to raise a few questions in my mind.

First, despite not being labeled as such, should these feats be considered appropriate to meet the prerequisites for the Critical Mastery feat? If so, would a fighter be able to use Critical Mastery to perform a Disarming Bull Rush Strike?

Second, if these feats are not Critical Feats, does that mean that during any given critical a fighter could apply one of these feats? For example, could a fighter with Critical Mastery and the appropriate feat selection perform a Sickening, Deafening Sundering Strike?

Wow... an actual good thread about a legitimate question that I have NO idea how to answer. I am marking this for FAQ because I have no idea on either of these questions and literally could go either way here.

Great catch D. Hopefully this will get someones attention who knows how to answer it.

[Tanis]

It's my interpretation that if they intended them to be Critical Feats then they'd be marked as such.

As they're not called Critical Feats then i think that:

1) they don't qualify as a pre-requisite for Critical Mastery; and

2) you can apply one of them to a critical hit, along with a critical feat (or 2 with CM).

[Kalyth]

Tanis wrote:

It's my interpretation that if they intended them to be Critical Feats then they'd be marked as such.

As they're not called Critical Feats then i think that:

1) they don't qualify as a pre-requisite for Critical Mastery; and

2) you can apply one of them to a critical hit, along with a critical feat (or 2 with CM).

Have to aggree. It seems to me that they went out of their way to NOT label them as critical feats as they also add that only one of these "Manuever Feats" can be applied to a critical hit. If they were meant to be critical feats there would be not need to call out this restriction as that restriction is already covered under Critical Feats in the Core Book.

Just seems odd to me to section these off from Critical Feats.