Does this work?
Lvl 1: Ranger (take power attack for example)
Lvl 2: Ranger take TWF combat style (and from there TWF feat)
Lvl 3: Monk
Now can that character attack with 2h-sword and kick (monk unarmed). Obviously using Rangers TWF, not Monks flurry?
How about Two Weapon Rend later?
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By strictly reading the rules, no.
If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.
At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk's attacks may be with fist, elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may make unarmed strikes with his hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.
By the rules, a monks unarmed strike is not an off-hand weapon, thus you cannot get an extra attack with TWF, because you must use an off-hand.
Does this work?
Lvl 1: Ranger (take power attack for example)
Lvl 2: Ranger take TWF combat style (and from there TWF feat)
Lvl 3: MonkNow can that character attack with 2h-sword and kick (monk unarmed). Obviously using Rangers TWF, not Monks flurry?
How about Two Weapon Rend later?
Yes, to both, with the caveat that the TWF must be from some source other than Flurry of Blows.
TriO's quote has to be read in the context of the next sentence. "There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply his full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all his unarmed strikes.
The "no such thing as an off-hand attack" clearly refers to not penalizing a monk for striking with some part of his/her body other than a single, primary, hand.
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Even if we want to be lenient about that point, this thread makes another point.
Flurry of Blows is 'as if using TWF'. You cannot TWF twice in the same round, anymore than you could Power Attack or Dodge twice in a round.
Even if we want to be lenient about that point, this thread makes another point.
Flurry of Blows is 'as if using TWF'. You cannot TWF twice in the same round, anymore than you could Power Attack or Dodge twice in a round.
The character in question isn't trying to use FoB and TWF simultaneously. The TWF comes from the levels of Ranger. The ability to use a kick comes from IUS. The only interaction with the Monk abilities relates to the increased damage for unarmed strike and for not taking a damage penalty for the unarmed strike.
The lines we both quoted are from the Unarmed Strike section of the Monk description, not the FoB section. I take that to mean that those rules apply to any time a monk uses an Unarmed Strike, not just when he/she uses an unarmed strike as part of a FoB.
If a Fighter, lvl 1, took TWF and IUS, they would be able to attack with a sword in one hand and with a punch using the other hand, yes? All that adding in the monk level does is make the punch more effective. Or in this case, the kick.
The OP should be aware that some DMs will object (incorrectly, in my opinion) to using a two handed weapon while gaining an extra attack with TWF.
This is, BTW, different from 3.5 where you could (according to the FAQ) mix TWF with FoB to gain an additional attack. Paizo's way is better, IMHO.
In fact, I think there's a slight flaw - a monk's flurry should use monk HD OR Base Attack, whichever is better. Right now, a monk 1/fighter 19 will have base attack bonus of +19 -- and flurry attack bonus of -1, RAW.
I think this
For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus is equal to his monk level.
is trying to say "For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus from monk class is equal to his monk level."
So I would assume a monk 1/fighter 19's flurry to be: 18/+18/+13/+8/+3
Gah, I must have been asleep last night when I posted. Disregard that second post.
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