Attempting to 'Raise Dead' an unwilling soul. Do you lose material components?

[harmor]

I'm having trouble with this phrase, "In addition, the subject's soul must be free and willing to return. If the subject's soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, a subject that wants to return receives no saving throw."

So the spell fizzles, but are the material components consumed?

[Deidre Tiriel]

I've always thought so.

[james maissen]

harmor wrote:

So the spell fizzles, but are the material components consumed?

The spell was successfully cast. It just didn't bring them back to life against their will.

So yep the components are used.

Moral: speak with dead first.

Or better moral: get paid up front.

-James

[harmor]

Yep...I tried to convince the Mage before he forked over the money for a Raise Dead...

Expensive lesson to learn. Thanks.

[TriOmegaZero]

james maissen wrote:

Moral: speak with dead first.

Won't be a surebet. They might have changed their mind after crossing over. (Speak With Dead doesn't contact the soul.)

I give characters the benefit of the doubt. I figure the gods would tell their clerics 'this soul refuses to answer your call' and leave the diamonds unused. If it were an arcane spell I'd say yes, components consumed. As it is a divine prayer, there is a leeway.

[Galnörag]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

james maissen wrote:

Moral: speak with dead first.

Won't be a surebet. They might have changed their mind after crossing over. (Speak With Dead doesn't contact the soul.)

I give characters the benefit of the doubt. I figure the gods would tell their clerics 'this soul refuses to answer your call' and leave the diamonds unused. If it were an arcane spell I'd say yes, components consumed. As it is a divine prayer, there is a leeway.

Less a 10% divine restocking fee.

[TriOmegaZero]

Galnörag wrote:

Less a 10% divine restocking fee.

What does a divine being need diamond powder f- oh, nevermind, I understand.

[DM_Blake]

Galnörag wrote:

TriOmegaZero wrote:

james maissen wrote:

Moral: speak with dead first.

Won't be a surebet. They might have changed their mind after crossing over. (Speak With Dead doesn't contact the soul.)

I give characters the benefit of the doubt. I figure the gods would tell their clerics 'this soul refuses to answer your call' and leave the diamonds unused. If it were an arcane spell I'd say yes, components consumed. As it is a divine prayer, there is a leeway.

Less a 10% divine restocking fee.

Hah, does that mean your diamond shrinks by 10 percent? So it's now a 4,500 gpv diamond, and no longer useful as a component for Raise Dead?

For that matter, could you then just go find a 500 gpv diamond chip and hold them both in your hand to be the component for your next Raise Dead, or must it be a single 5,000 gpv diamond?

[TriOmegaZero]

Interesting, I didn't realize PF had changed it from 'diamonds' to 'diamond'.

[Anguish]

Sounds like a good reason to cast augury.

[Blake Duffey]

james maissen wrote:

The spell was successfully cast. It just didn't bring them back to life against their will.

So yep the components are used.

+1

[TriOmegaZero]

Well at least you don't have to find a very big diamond. What with all the wasted castings lowering the supply and increasing the demand. Now I understand why those diamond rings in adventures are worth 5k gold.