| Volaran |
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I`ll start this by stating that I know what my ruling on the matter is, and I am not looking for debate on that subject. I thought I might get some official clarification if possible though, for future reference.
An oracle of wind in my game picked up Spiritual Weapon last session, and was using it tonight. I noticed this in the PRD section for Spiritual Weapon:
It uses your base attack bonus (possibly allowing it multiple attacks per round in subsequent rounds) plus your Wisdom modifier as its attack bonus.
Now, when this was written originally, this was a cleric-only spell, and the cleric did not share their spell list with other classes. I have ruled that she can use her charisma as her relevant casting stat in place of wisdom to add to her Spiritual weapon attacks.
I am curious if this would likely match an official ruling, much the same way Telekinesis is listed:
Combat Maneuver: Alternatively, once per round, you can use telekinesis to perform a bull rush, disarm, grapple (including pin), or trip. Resolve these attempts as normal, except that they don't provoke attacks of opportunity, you use your caster level in place of your Combat Maneuver Bonus, and you add your Intelligence modifier (if a wizard) or Charisma modifier (if a sorcerer) in place of your Strength or Dexterity modifier.
Similarly, if it is ruled to work this way, would it be possible to include standardized phrasing in the PRD and future books where 'your relevant casting stat' or some similar phrase is used in place of specifically listing Int, Wis, or Cha?
| Kaisoku |
Similarly, if it is ruled to work this way, would it be possible to include standardized phrasing in the PRD and future books where 'your relevant casting stat' or some similar phrase is used in place of specifically listing Int, Wis, or Cha?
This would help make spells future-proof. I mean, if in the future there's a caster that uses Constitution for casting (such as a psychometablism focused psionic class or some other "body causes magical effects"), and he just uses the same spells with different flavour, it'll run into a similar problem.
The alternative would be to have a clause in the class itself, such as "The Oracle pulls spells from the Cleric list. If a spell uses Wisdom as a modifier in it's description, the Oracle uses Charisma instead."
Work it from the other end, sort of deal.
| Volaran |
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Now that the FAQ is being more frequently updated, I figured I'd bump this thread and mark it as a FAQ candidate :)
So, for specific phrasing:
"Should 'Spiritual Weapon' and 'Spiritual Ally' use base attack bonus + Charisma modifier (instead of Wisdom) when cast by an Oracle?"
"Will future printings include more standardized phrasing for spells that should use the relevant casting stat, now that there are divine casters whose spells are not based on their Wisdom modifier?"
| Interzone |
Yeah I would definitely like to know the official take on this one too...
In my own games I have been ruling that Spiritual Weapon and Spiritual Ally DO use Wisdom, since the latter was printed in a later book that also included spells like Hydraulic Push that DID specifically call out different casting stats...
It could, however, easily have just been a copy/paste thing where they did mean for it to be the relevant stat and just didn't catch it.. so yeah, FAQ it up everyone.