"This +3 scimitar, when used outdoors in a temperate climate, grants its wielder the use of the Cleave feat and deals an extra 1d6 points of damage. "
Does it mean that the extra 1d6 point of damage is ONLY applied when you cleave, or is it a 2D6 weapon?
Also, is appears that it gives you the Cleave feat for free. If you wanted to get Greater Cleave, do you still need to get Power Attack or will this weapon allow you to forgo that feat also?
Thanks!
The way it is written I believe:
2d6 weapon that grants the Cleave Feat.
Greater Cleave doesn't require Power Attack as a prerequisite. It only requires Cleave, which the sword grants. So you should be able to take Greater Cleave and use it as long as you wield that sword. However if you lose or replace that sword you would then have to take Power Attack and Cleave to again make use of Greater Cleave.
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The way it is written I believe:
2d6 weapon that grants the Cleave Feat.
Greater Cleave doesn't require Power Attack as a prerequisite. It only requires Cleave, which the sword grants. So you should be able to take Greater Cleave and use it as long as you wield that sword. However if you lose or replace that sword you would then have to take Power Attack and Cleave to again make use of Greater Cleave.
Agreed; this is consistent with the general policy towards feat prerequisites: a character may qualify for a feat because an item he possesses (such as a belt of greater dexterity) may allow him to meet a prerequisite that he would not otherwise. If a character ever stops meeting the prerequisites for a feat he has taken, he does not lose the feat, he merely loses the use of the feat until he meets the prerequisites again.
In regards to the sylvan scimitar, because the description of the bonus damage is vague, I have ruled in my campaign that the bonus damage dealt is slashing, and is not multiplied on a critical hit.
In regards to the sylvan scimitar, because the description of the bonus damage is vague, I have ruled in my campaign that the bonus damage dealt is slashing, and is not multiplied on a critical hit.
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Yeah, you're right, the extra damage would be an extra d6 of the same damage type and is not multiplied on a crit. But to answer to OP it is a consistant +1d6, not something only added to cleave attacks.
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Yeah, you're right, the extra damage would be an extra d6 of the same damage type and is not multiplied on a crit. But to answer to OP it is a consistant +1d6, not something only added to cleave attacks.
Definitely.
The bonus damage is somewhat odd, in that it is clearly additional weapon damage (not magical bonus damage such as icy burst, which does not multiply), but I decided to treat it as being similar to sneak attack damage (which also uses the weapon damage type, and does not multiply on a critical) rather than similar to the damage improvement granted by shillelagh which does multiply on a critical.
The way the description reads I assume that you would only be able to use the cleave feat when outdoors in a temperate climate. So if you want to take the greater cleave feat, I suppose that you'll have to be trained outdoors, and it would only be useable in outdoors/temperate climate settings...
delabarre wrote:
"In regards to the sylvan scimitar, because the description of the bonus damage is vague, I have ruled in my campaign that the bonus damage dealt is slashing, and is not multiplied on a critical hit."
I am going to go devil's advocate on this one as I have always run with the extra d6 does multiply- I just count the sylvan scimitar as a special weapon that while outdoors/temperate setting does 2d6 damage standard much like a greatsword. Then again this is merely my interpretation and while my players have enjoyed it some may not and the only real rule you have to worry about is if you stop having fun with the game then you did it wrong. :-)
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delabarre wrote:
"In regards to the sylvan scimitar, because the description of the bonus damage is vague, I have ruled in my campaign that the bonus damage dealt is slashing, and is not multiplied on a critical hit."
I am going to go devil's advocate on this one as I have always run with the extra d6 does multiply- I just count the sylvan scimitar as a special weapon that while outdoors/temperate setting does 2d6 damage standard much like a greatsword. Then again this is merely my interpretation and while my players have enjoyed it some may not and the only real rule you have to worry about is if you stop having fun with the game then you did it wrong. :-)
I agree with Kyle's assessment. As the extra d6 is a conditional bonus (wielder must be outside AND in a temperate climate), treating the Sylvan Scimitar like a great sword under these conditions seems to express the item's flavor.
Thanks everyone!
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delabarre wrote:
"In regards to the sylvan scimitar, because the description of the bonus damage is vague, I have ruled in my campaign that the bonus damage dealt is slashing, and is not multiplied on a critical hit."
I am going to go devil's advocate on this one as I have always run with the extra d6 does multiply- I just count the sylvan scimitar as a special weapon that while outdoors/temperate setting does 2d6 damage standard much like a greatsword. Then again this is merely my interpretation and while my players have enjoyed it some may not and the only real rule you have to worry about is if you stop having fun with the game then you did it wrong. :-)
See my analysis above -- it's really a judgment call whether you want to treat it as similar to precision damage (in which case it does not multiply) or an overall improvement in the weapon damage (in which case it does).
You can make the argument either way, because the description is vague.