There used to be a thread here called "What Conservatives Believe."
What I want to know is what progressives believe, because I honestly don't know. What is a progressive? Can progressive's beliefs and ideology be condensed into a handful of talking points, like the conservatives? What's the difference between a progressive and a liberal?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Progressives believe ten-minute-guitar-solos are really neat.
Or that. My answer requires less reading and isn't written by a Wiki contributor ;)Here is a starting point.
LOL! I dislike typing, and I think it might be more productive to let self identified progressives discuss their beliefs before I weigh in.
Here is a starting point.
Actually, I was going to look it up in Wikipedia at first, but then realized it would be much more fun to start a thread that would grow to several hundred pages in length over the next few years and never resolve anything :D
My cousin in Albuquerque identifies her politics on Facebook as "Anti-Progressive." She defines "progressive" more simply as "anything she doesn't agree with." Big government? Progressive. Torturing babies? Progressive. Pollution of the Gulf by oil spills? Progressive. New Coke? Progressive.
It's all so simple.
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My cousin in Albuquerque identifies her politics on Facebook as "Anti-Progressive." She defines "progressive" more simply as "anything she doesn't agree with." Big government? Progressive. Torturing babies? Progressive. Pollution of the Gulf by oil spills? Progressive. New Coke? Progressive.
It's all so simple.
We only have Glen Beck to thank for this mentality >.<
We only have Glen Beck to thank for this mentality >.<My cousin in Albuquerque identifies her politics on Facebook as "Anti-Progressive." She defines "progressive" more simply as "anything she doesn't agree with." Big government? Progressive. Torturing babies? Progressive. Pollution of the Gulf by oil spills? Progressive. New Coke? Progressive.
It's all so simple.
Haven't you heard? Progressive is the new Fascist.
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My cousin in Albuquerque identifies her politics on Facebook as "Anti-Progressive." She defines "progressive" more simply as "anything she doesn't agree with." Big government? Progressive. Torturing babies? Progressive. Pollution of the Gulf by oil spills? Progressive. New Coke? Progressive.
It's all so simple.
Curse you knew coke...
Anyway, from what I've seen Progressive is a fancy name for Liberal, a person who looks to government first. Big government, government programs, and so on. Progressives would identify with Jimmy Carter or Obama.
And this is the polar opposite of Conservatives who look to civilians, businesses, small government there just as a central hub and little more. Conservatives connect to Ronald Reagen or Chris Christie of New Jersey.
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Progressives use the government to force people to behave in certain ways to make it "fair" and to protect people from themselves.
Conservatives use the government to force people to behave in certain ways because god said so.
Like alignment any other differences are fluff that no one agrees on and changes from person to person :)
Neither are correct.
New Coke? Progressive.
Dear lord! Sign me up as anti-progressive.
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Like alignment any other differences are fluff that no one agrees on and changes from person to person :)Neither are correct.
Nor are oversimplification of another's beliefs simply because it is not yours. Sure there are some conservatives who do in fact want to use government power in that way. It does not mean all of them do. Or even a majority do. That is the 20 second sound bite coming from the media because it sells. Same with how some "progressives" want to change things to fit their beliefs. It does not mean they all feel this way.
IDK maybe it is just me, but making things their lowest common denominator should be left in "professional" wrestling. It just does not seem to fit anywhere else.
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Like alignment any other differences are fluff that no one agrees on and changes from person to person :)Neither are correct.
Nor are oversimplification of another's beliefs simply because it is not yours. Sure there are some conservatives who do in fact want to use government power in that way. It does not mean all of them do. Or even a majority do. That is the 20 second sound bite coming from the media because it sells. Same with how some "progressives" want to change things to fit their beliefs. It does not mean they all feel this way.
IDK maybe it is just me, but making things their lowest common denominator should be left in "professional" wrestling. It just does not seem to fit anywhere else.
I think that lastknightleft has a fair point when it comes to social progressives/conservatives. In this both are trying to legislate different types of morality...progressives feel it is a moral obligation that the government help those in need, conservatives feel ther is a moral obligation for the government to base laws off of relgious morality. That's my take on it anyway.
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Or people could realize that the third line pretty much sums up my point, that everyones opinions differ, and there is no right or wrong because it's all fluff that everyone puts their own personal spin on. Sorry I actually had the gall to express my opinion and throw out one liners, I didn't realize people would take my comments so seriously in a thread saying that progresives are advocates for a line of soups and car insurance. I'll stop getting peoples knickers in a knot.
I'll stop getting peoples knickers in a knot.
Why do you assume everyone is wearing knickers?! I am flagging this post for such flagrant knickers bigotry. I should not be surprised anymore that your obvious bias seeps through into every post.
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I'll stop getting peoples knickers in a knot.Why do you assume everyone is wearing knickers?! I am flagging this post for such flagrant knickers bigotry. I should not be surprised anymore that your obvious bias seeps through into every post.
Oh please, you know that when people show outrage like that it's because they're secretly ashamed of their own love of knickers, a love that they bury because they want to be accepted by society. Then they take out the agression they've built up over years of denial of their secret love on anyone who happens to find knickers fancy.
Just give in courtfool, you'll live a much happier life.
I always thought of progressive as covering two different groups.
1) Liberals who have figured out that non-liberals don't like the name liberal, because they have come to associate it with socialism/communism. so they use a different name for the same policies. it's good PR.
and 2) Liberals who don't think the Democrats have gone far enough to the left.
Just give in courtfool, you'll live a much happier life.
Samnell said I can't. >.>
When you mean progressive, you mean progressive as in progressive-democrat, similar to what you can find in the UK for ex?
Tossing out a 'soundbite' definition but in general a conservative view of human nature is that people are mostly bad with some saints tossed in there and laws and customs need to be designed with that in mind.
A liberal or progressive view of human nature is that people are generally good with a few bad apples and laws and customs should be designed with that in mind.
Now its a soundbite because it informs a lot of the debate but does not delve deeper into the issues, consider for example how and why the Republican base splits between a Christian view point and a Libertarian viewpoint Note that one could easily argue that their is both a Christian and a Libertarian view of human nature which are themselves informing the conservative view of human nature that both groups (in the US at least) subscribe to.
Some of the stuff Progressives believe:
Progressives believe in stuff like equal rights for all races, sexes, ages and economic status.
Progressives believe in fair business practices and laws that protect them regardless of the size or connections of the company.
Progressives believe the government should take care of those that are incapable of taking care of themselves.
Progressives believe the government should not interfere with a person’s right to worship unless said worship harms another.
Progressives believe the government should not promote any religion.
Progressives believe that those with the most should contribute the most and that doesn’t just mean financially.
Some of the stuff Progressives believe:
stuff
I don't call myself a progressive, but that looks like a decent summary to me.
I don't call myself a progressive, but that looks like a decent summary to me.
…but, but…New Coke?
I don't call myself a progressive, but that looks like a decent summary to me.…but, but…New Coke?
It's still better than Pepsi.
Like alignment any other differences are fluff that no one agrees on and changes from person to person :)Neither are correct.
Nor are oversimplification of another's beliefs simply because it is not yours. Sure there are some conservatives who do in fact want to use government power in that way. It does not mean all of them do. Or even a majority do. That is the 20 second sound bite coming from the media because it sells. Same with how some "progressives" want to change things to fit their beliefs. It does not mean they all feel this way.
IDK maybe it is just me, but making things their lowest common denominator should be left in "professional" wrestling. It just does not seem to fit anywhere else.
+1
Sure there are some conservatives who do in fact want to use government power in that way. It does not mean all of them do. Or even a majority do.
Incorrect in a very important sense. Those "some conservatives," in many cases, go on to establish the party platform and action items. After that, you're stuck with it -- and EVERYONE who votes for them is, in part, complicit in supporting that stance. So, yes, it does kind of mean "all of them do" -- because you act with your vote.
In a two-party system, politics inevitably becomes a lowest-common-denominator game. That's how it's set up in the U.S. You can lament that it should be reserved for TV shows, but the guys who wrote the Constitution thought otherwise -- and all the "+1"s in the world won't change that, until you have enough of them to pass an amendment.
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Sure there are some conservatives who do in fact want to use government power in that way. It does not mean all of them do. Or even a majority do.Incorrect in a very important sense. Those "some conservatives," in many cases, go on to establish the party platform and action items. After that, you're stuck with it -- and EVERYONE who votes for them is, in part, complicit in supporting that stance. So, yes, it does kind of mean "all of them do" -- because you act with your vote.
Yes I do, I vote for more moderates. But hey what do I know.
SMurf it.
Yes I do, I vote for more moderates.
You mean you write them in? Because the moderates usually aren't the ones who appear on the ballots. Certainly neither Bush Jr. nor Obama fits that term.
And it goes further. Because Texas has a Republican supermajority, the electoral system guarantees that my vote here is automatically a Republican vote -- no matter what I actually put on the ballot in November. Therefore, simply by living here in 2004, I am in part responsible for everything "W" did during his second term, no matter how abhorrent I might personally have found individual items.
Is it time for another Texas revolution?
And it goes further. Because Texas has a Republican supermajority, my vote here is automatically a Republican vote, because of the electoral system. Therefore, simply by living here, I am in part responsible for everything the republican state officials do, no matter how abhorrent I might personally find individual items.
Kentucky is the same way man. I am about as far from conservative as you can get, yet my vote because of that system often goes to people I can't stand and find their politics, view and ideals down right offensive.
Is it time for another Texas revolution?
Chuck Norris thinks so, and he wants to run for president when it happens.
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That's why the electoral college, very uneloquently, blows donkey balls. Back in the Day™ it had it's uses as technology was nowhere near the point that a true democratic vote could be counted in a timely manner. Nowadays, however, that is far from the case. POTUS elections should be simple majority and the senate and house should be trimmed down to committees whose sole job is to review proposed bills for constitutionality before putting them to a popular vote.
Is it time for another Texas revolution?Chuck Norris thinks so, and he wants to run for president when it happens.
You gotta be kidding me.
Is it time for another Texas revolution?Chuck Norris thinks so, and he wants to run for president when it happens.
Solving all the world's problems with a round house kick.
Is it time for another Texas revolution?Chuck Norris thinks so, and he wants to run for president when it happens.
Maybe we should put Tony Jaa in charge.
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Some of the stuff Progressives believe:
Progressives believe in stuff like equal rights for all races, sexes, ages and economic status.
Progressives believe in fair business practices and laws that protect them regardless of the size or connections of the company.
Progressives believe the government should not interfere with a person’s right to worship unless said worship harms another.
Progressives believe the government should not promote any religion.
I've quoted the ideas I actually agree with.
And since someone claimed I was just spouting out about parties that I don't agree with
Libertarians use the government as little as possible, even if a corporation has privately funded shock troops breaking down their door, because the "free market" is always right.
Some of the stuff Progressives believe:
Progressives believe in stuff like equal rights for all races, sexes, ages and economic status.
Progressives believe in fair business practices and laws that protect them regardless of the size or connections of the company.
Progressives believe the government should not interfere with a person’s right to worship unless said worship harms another.
Progressives believe the government should not promote any religion.
I've quoted the ideas I actually agree with.
And since someone claimed I was just spouting out about parties that I don't agree with
Libertarians use the government as little as possible, even if a corporation has privately funded shock troops breaking down their door, because the "free market" is always right.
Unfortunately an unrestrained free market economy always leads to some form of slavery whether it is indentured servitude, a company store or outright owning of another person.
There has to be some basic rules that all must follow to prevent that from happening.