So I figured out my main beef with the Twilight books...


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aside from the sparkling, "vegetarian" vampires.

It was my wife's turn to pick the movie we went to, and she wanted to see was "Eclipse." So, doing my husbandly duty, I went to see it with her.

My problem with these books/movies is that it seems that the author put all sorts of work into the backstories of all of the characters...except the two main ones. While the rest of the main vampires have decent backgrounds (and I actually thought the concept of vampires in the civil war intriguing--Deadlands, anyone?), Edward and Bella are trite, cliche, 1 dimensional characters that could have been ripped from the pages of any angsty, teenage love story. It's like she had built this whole world but didn't have a plot to go with it so she threw in a pedophilic, controlling lead man and an angsty, the world is against me teenage girl.

That and, while I realize that the vampire genre has been done again and again and that any new piece of literature needs to diferentiate itself from the rest of the stuff out there, you can't have day-dwelling, sparkling vampires!!! At that point they're no longer vampires, they're fairies with porphyria.

/endrant

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I hear in one of the books she like turns into a vampire while pregnant and than has the kid premature, but the wolf dude wants to kill it so they make him the godfather and then the kid grows up in like two months being half-vampire or some such with super powers.

Lesson learned, don't let my wife explain plots.

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Xpltvdeleted wrote:

aside from the sparkling, "vegetarian" vampires.

It was my wife's turn to pick the movie we went to, and she wanted to see was "Eclipse." So, doing my husbandly duty, I went to see it with her.

My problem with these books/movies is that it seems that the author put all sorts of work into the backstories of all of the characters...except the two main ones. While the rest of the main vampires have decent backgrounds (and I actually thought the concept of vampires in the civil war intriguing--Deadlands, anyone?), Edward and Bella are trite, cliche, 1 dimensional characters that could have been ripped from the pages of any angsty, teenage love story. It's like she had built this whole world but didn't have a plot to go with it so she threw in a pedophilic, controlling lead man and an angsty, the world is against me teenage girl.

That and, while I realize that the vampire genre has been done again and again and that any new piece of literature needs to diferentiate itself from the rest of the stuff out there, you can't have day-dwelling, sparkling vampires!!! At that point they're no longer vampires, they're fairies with porphyria.

/endrant

Wait, which part didn't you like? The sparkling my-little-pony vampires? The misogynism? The fact that Bella is absolutely retarded, and the whole situation is her fault but decides to blame everyone and everything else, and then makes the situation worse every time without fail?


The rampant misogyny did it for me.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:
My problem with these books/movies is that it seems that the author put all sorts of work into the backstories of all of the characters...except the two main ones.

I know what you're saying, and it sticks out even more in the movies than in the books. I think that the supporting cast (and their characters) saved the first movie, as the two main character were just so incredible bland and boring: a girl that seems to not like being around people, and a vanpire that doesn't like himself.

All of the other high school students were perfect in their parts, the men that play Charlie and Billy Black were outstanding (I think that Charlie is the perfect movie dad EVER, me being a dad with daughters), and all of the other vampires were just so interesting that Edward and Bella just paled in comparison.

Eclipse was the best by far, finally making sense of Jasper (who just looked awkward in the first two movies) and showing what a war veteran vampire can do. Too cool.

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Samnell wrote:
The rampant misogyny did it for me.

Then, why are the books so popular with women?


Lord Fyre wrote:
Samnell wrote:
The rampant misogyny did it for me.
Then, why are the books so popular with women?

Being the passive victim of a wildly patriarchal adventure beats being the passive victim of wildly patriarchal boring ordinary life.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Samnell wrote:
The rampant misogyny did it for me.
Then, why are the books so popular with women?

I know what Ayn Rand would say...

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Samnell wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
Samnell wrote:
The rampant misogyny did it for me.
Then, why are the books so popular with women?
Being the passive victim of a wildly patriarchal adventure beats being the passive victim of wildly patriarchal boring ordinary life.

But, I have seen Heterosexual Porn that is less misogynistic.


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I know this is a little off topic, but, everyone i know that has read the book say this makes them better:

Think of Edward as a white court vampire (from the Dresden Books), one that feeds on angst. It makes it all make sense.


Eric The Pipe wrote:

I know this is a little off topic, but, everyone i know that has read the book say this makes them better:

Think of Edward as a white court vampire (from the Dresden Books), one that feeds on angst. It makes it all make sense.

What gets me is in the movie, they show Bella doing all of this research on vampires, and comes to the conclusion that Edward must be a vampire...

...even though she has seen him in the DAYLIGHT. HUH?!?!?!?


Its one thing to indulge in this illicit little, makes you weak in the knees, fantasy but I think its cruel and unusual punishment to drag your male (if your female) significant other to this. It essentially invites comparisons that are basically not fair.

After all he is not dragging you online to view impossibly beautiful, nubile and sexually available young ladies.

It seems only fair to keep your yearning for a handsome, wealthy, sexy as all get out, athletic, intellectual who pines and desperately yearns for you and only you and is a hopeless romantic while at the same time being an alpha male bad ass who will rip the face off of anyone who dares impinge on your honour to yourself.


princeimrahil wrote:

What gets me is in the movie, they show Bella doing all of this research on vampires, and comes to the conclusion that Edward must be a vampire...

...even though she has seen him in the DAYLIGHT. HUH?!?!?!?

If you watch the 1979 Dracula with Frank Langella, He is out during the daylight. This is on a overcast day. There have been a lot of vampire movies where they can be out during the day. Of course, there are just as many, or more where they can't. It is up to to the writer and the director. I have read many books where the sun simply made them uncomfortable, and others where they would die a horrible death being exposed for mere seconds.

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Lorm Dragonheart wrote:


If you watch the 1979 Dracula with Frank Langella, He is out during the daylight. This is on a overcast day. There have been a lot of vampire movies where they can be out during the day. Of course, there are just as many, or more where they can't. It is up to to the writer and the director. I have read many books where the sun simply made them uncomfortable, and others where they would die a horrible death being exposed for mere seconds.

Bram Stoker's Dracula (1993), starring Gary Oldman, was the same way. Anthony Hopkins (as Van Helsing) provides narration explaining that vampires can move about in the daytime, but are weaker than at night.


Xpltvdeleted wrote:

aside from the sparkling, "vegetarian" vampires.

It was my wife's turn to pick the movie we went to, and she wanted to see was "Eclipse." So, doing my husbandly duty, I went to see it with her.

My problem with these books/movies is that it seems that the author put all sorts of work into the backstories of all of the characters...except the two main ones. While the rest of the main vampires have decent backgrounds (and I actually thought the concept of vampires in the civil war intriguing--Deadlands, anyone?), Edward and Bella are trite, cliche, 1 dimensional characters that could have been ripped from the pages of any angsty, teenage love story. It's like she had built this whole world but didn't have a plot to go with it so she threw in a pedophilic, controlling lead man and an angsty, the world is against me teenage girl.

That and, while I realize that the vampire genre has been done again and again and that any new piece of literature needs to diferentiate itself from the rest of the stuff out there, you can't have day-dwelling, sparkling vampires!!! At that point they're no longer vampires, they're fairies with porphyria.

/endrant

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Geistlinger wrote:
Twilight Explained

Awesome...


Geistlinger wrote:
Twilight Explained

That also explanes Justin Bieber.

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*Sends the link to wife*


Xabulba wrote:
Geistlinger wrote:
Twilight Explained
That also explanes Justin Bieber.

Nothing explains Justin Bieber. :P


Big Jake wrote:

... so interesting that Edward ... just paled in comparison.

Just PALED in comparison!

LMAO!

I get it, very funny!

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I have no beef with the Twilight books because I have no intention of reading them.

I did accompany my wife to the Twilight movie, and my two main problems with it were :-

Vampires are better than you in every way, no weaknesses etc.
The main female character was utterly unattractive and uninteresting

It wasn't all bad, however. I learned that the state of Washington has lousy weather, and that some American schools are quite welcoming towards new students from out of state.


I have never nor do I think I will ever read the twilight series but I am an avid movie go'er just because the guy that plays jacob is so freakin hot it aughta be a crime for him to be clothed at all.


Personally, when my wife dragged me along to the Twilight movies, I loved everything- except all of the angsty teen romance.

Seriously. If you cut out all of the teen romance bullcrap, the rest (the backstory of the vampires vs. the werewolves, the volturi, the renegade vampires creating an army to screw everything up, etc.) is actually pretty good.

It is, unfortunately, less than 30 minutes worth of material over three movies (so far), but you get the idea.


It's pr0n for chicks. Oh, they will deny it, but it is.

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CourtFool wrote:
It's pr0n for chicks. Oh, they will deny it, but it is.

+1, but thank the gods my wife doesn't like it.

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