Caprica - Whither its return?


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Has anyone heard any news or umors as when or if the show is coming back?

Liberty's Edge

Twin Agate Dragons wrote:
Has anyone heard any news or umors as when or if the show is coming back?

Should be coming back in September.


Rumors? No.

But my instincts tell me that they crammed so much into the last episode there is a good chance it won't be on much longer.

Not that I am looking for it to end...


Robert Little wrote:
Twin Agate Dragons wrote:
Has anyone heard any news or umors as when or if the show is coming back?
Should be coming back in September.

17 September 2010 is the slated airdate for Episode #109 Unvanquished.

There will then be a gap until #110 Retribution airs on an as-yet-undertermined October date, then a regular schedule resumes in November with #111 Things We Lock Away.

Season 1 wraps with #117 (for a total of 18 episodes, including the Pilot #100) with is currently untitled and should air in late December 2010.

HTH,

Rez

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Looks like Capria's cancelled. Damn.

Grand Lodge

Next episode is November 2. I've been watching the first 3 on OnDemand and caught the fourth one last night.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Looks like Capria's cancelled. Damn.

iO9 says its cancelled LINK: caprica has been ripped from our bleeding-fingers


While I know some people liked it, I shall not regret its passing.

Too much heavy handed preaching, too much 'angst as character development'.

Not as bad in either regard as the last season of Galactica.

And Moore has a pretty high mark to aim for for pissing me off in the finale after the drek that was the BSG finale.


Fantastic news. Wow, that show was horrible. (And the apologist comments in that link were laughable.)

Maybe after the crap that was the ending/last 2 seasons of BSG, and the even worse crap that was Caprica, they'll learn some lessons and make this whole "Blood and Chrome" thingy decent? I know the potential is there, after the great BSG mini-series.

Or maybe they'll just realize that Moore sucks and just stop greenlighting his stuff. I'd be fine with that, too.

In any case, great news.


I want them to sit down with the original 70's/80's show, then sit through the first Season or two of the recent remake, and produce a bastard love child.

I want the next generation of little boys to know its "ok" not to have angst and girly hormones, and that packing a blaster, chomping cigars, and chasing tail are all perfectly acceptable passtimes for when you aren't shooting holes in a toaster.

Thats right, we want loveable anti-heroes back like Starbuck, for kids to realise just why it is their dad wanted to be Han Solo instead of some whiny emo sparkly vampire version of Jedi that is the Nu-Vader.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Looks like Capria's cancelled. Damn.

According to Wikipedia ...

On October 27, 2010, Syfy canceled the show, citing low ratings, and pulled the remaining five episodes of the series from its broadcast schedule. The remaining episodes will air during the first quarter of 2011.

For all its many failings, at least it was vastly superior to the lame and plot-hole-sieve that is the "V" remake.

R.


Rezdave wrote:


For all its many failings, at least it was vastly superior to the lame and plot-hole-sieve that is the "V" remake.

R.

You get Morena Baccarin in a kewpie doll haircut and lovely mini skirt, and you want a *plot* that makes sense *too*?

Clearly, this thing is an alien infiltrator. Take him to cell 28 for vivisection. :)

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AdAstraGames wrote:
Rezdave wrote:


For all its many failings, at least it was vastly superior to the lame and plot-hole-sieve that is the "V" remake.

R.

You get Morena Baccarin in a kewpie doll haircut and lovely mini skirt, and you want a *plot* that makes sense *too*?

Clearly, this thing is an alien infiltrator. Take him to cell 28 for vivisection. :)

Actually the haircut bugs me, I like long hair, and hers is beautiful.

Liberty's Edge

Thus Caprica goes the the way of Defying Gravity.

The truth is neither show had enough baseline, primal action to balance the cerebral content--it's crude to say it, but the majority of the viewing public hasn't changed much since the days of the Circus; even Hamlet needs a good knifing or two to keep the average dude's attention, so it's no surprise a show about religious fanaticism and the nature of the human soul just couldn't stay afloat without an extra sex scene and a drive-by shooting or two...

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Another issue, Someday TV networks will learn that the lose viewers when they put a many month break in the middle of the season.

Liberty's Edge

Dragnmoon wrote:
Another issue, Someday TV networks will learn that the lose viewers when they put a many month break in the middle of the season.

Absolutely! Americans are so used to the September to May TV season, with repeats in the summer, that the strange mid year seasons that return in the summer, or start in the summer and return in winter...or start in summer and return nine months later? Kids actually grow up in that amount of time and move on, and adults are too busy to keep up with off cycle, unpredictable seasons for relatively fringe programming.


Andrew Turner wrote:
The truth is neither show had enough baseline, primal action to balance the cerebral content

..you say 'cerebral content' I say endless self indulgent pontificating :P

The religious themes just kept being a bit too same-same and there is only so much of it you can watch without it becoming a "Space Oprah".

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I'm somewhat bummed. I really, really liked the world they built in Caprica. It was the most immersive sci-fi setting I've ever seen.

But, my god, the writers were just marking time for some alleged big story payoff, and that got old fast. I was particularly annoyed at the whole confrontation with Daniel and Zoe-bot, where he did all those terrible things to try and out her and it failed. It was obvious he'd learn that the avatar existed sooner or later, so it would've been much better to just let that conflict occur and be resolved rather than putting the brakes on it.

Plus, ending Season 1 on a bunch of cliffhangers only to resolve them off-camera at the beginning of Season 1.5 was lame.

Still, the last episode aired was the best of Season 1.5. The episode immediately prior to that was the worst - I was not looking forward to having the s*!+tiest, worst explained element of BSG inserted into Caprica. Those stupid f+&+ing imaginary/non-imaginary people were terrible (aka Head Six, Head Baltar). Adding Head Zoe did not bode well.

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Sebastian wrote:

I'm somewhat bummed. I really, really liked the world they built in Caprica. It was the most immersive sci-fi setting I've ever seen.

But, my god, the writers were just marking time for some alleged big story payoff, and that got old fast. I was particularly annoyed at the whole confrontation with Daniel and Zoe-bot, where he did all those terrible things to try and out her and it failed. It was obvious he'd learn that the avatar existed sooner or later, so it would've been much better to just let that conflict occur and be resolved rather than putting the brakes on it.

Plus, ending Season 1 on a bunch of cliffhangers only to resolve them off-camera at the beginning of Season 1.5 was lame.

Still, the last episode aired was the best of Season 1.5. The episode immediately prior to that was the worst - I was not looking forward to having the s%@@tiest, worst explained element of BSG inserted into Caprica. Those stupid f#*~ing imaginary/non-imaginary people were terrible (aka Head Six, Head Baltar). Adding Head Zoe did not bode well.

I agree. I was wondering if 'head zoe' was just another copy of the program, or if Zoe 2.0 was mixing memories. I got pulled back in with the last episode, finally back to the Taurons and young Will. I think the writers forgot that the 'hook' for Caprica was the Adama family. Besides, who didn't smile when the cylon said 'By your command.'

Rant

Spoiler:

I think they could have gone farther if they'd been able to parallel Will Adama growing and Zoe growing. By having Will and Lacey meet (and be leader/sidekick) and parellel it with Zoe/Tamara (again, leader/sidekick) they could have explored both worlds and given us the Colonies while also shown how the Cylons evolved. Right now we're left with the impression that the Cylons were built and became self aware without Zoe's program.

I'd have prefered to keep Zoe straddling two worlds (the cylon body and the V-world) while Will sees his father doing the same with law and the Tauron families. Allow the cylons to be produced, with 'generic' avatars. Easy to do, you just take Zoe's program and rather than feed in Sgt. Bob, you feed in military history and a composite personality. What Daniel doesn't know is that Zoe (and maybe Tamra) have left 'echos' in the cylon program. They revolt when the Graystone and Adama families do something simultaniously, worlds apart, that breaks Zoe 2.0 and Tamara2.0 That way, the viewer understand how the Cylons revolted, but the Colonials never did.


Hulu just dumped 5 "new" Captica episodes in my Queue, supposedly all with an Airdate of 04 Jan.

I guess this is officially the beginning of the end. I'll watch them, I guess, and then move along. Wasn't a great show, and Eric Stoltz is a better actor that this crappy role allowed him to display, but at least it was better than that "V" garbage. Don't know how that got renewed.

R.


Rezdave wrote:

Hulu just dumped 5 "new" Captica episodes in my Queue, supposedly all with an Airdate of 04 Jan.

I guess this is officially the beginning of the end. I'll watch them, I guess, and then move along. Wasn't a great show, and Eric Stoltz is a better actor that this crappy role allowed him to display, but at least it was better than that "V" garbage. Don't know how that got renewed.

R.

I was annoyed that they aired it like they did back-to-back as it conflicted with a bunch of other programs I had simultaneously recording. I simply gave up and deleted the remaining ones I haven't yet watched from this truncated season and wiped my hands of it.


Urizen wrote:
Rezdave wrote:

Hulu just dumped 5 "new" Captica episodes in my Queue, supposedly all with an Airdate of 04 Jan.

I guess this is officially the beginning of the end. I'll watch them, I guess, and then move along. Wasn't a great show, and Eric Stoltz is a better actor that this crappy role allowed him to display, but at least it was better than that "V" garbage. Don't know how that got renewed.

R.

I was annoyed that they aired it like they did back-to-back as it conflicted with a bunch of other programs I had simultaneously recording. I simply gave up and deleted the remaining ones I haven't yet watched from this truncated season and wiped my hands of it.

It should be noted - the season was never actually truncated. They had already filmed all of the episodes they were going to have for the season before they were given the ax. So the show is, technically, complete, and tells a coherent story.


Archmage_Atrus wrote:
Urizen wrote:
Rezdave wrote:

Hulu just dumped 5 "new" Captica episodes in my Queue, supposedly all with an Airdate of 04 Jan.

I guess this is officially the beginning of the end. I'll watch them, I guess, and then move along. Wasn't a great show, and Eric Stoltz is a better actor that this crappy role allowed him to display, but at least it was better than that "V" garbage. Don't know how that got renewed.

R.

I was annoyed that they aired it like they did back-to-back as it conflicted with a bunch of other programs I had simultaneously recording. I simply gave up and deleted the remaining ones I haven't yet watched from this truncated season and wiped my hands of it.

It should be noted - the season was never actually truncated. They had already filmed all of the episodes they were going to have for the season before they were given the ax. So the show is, technically, complete, and tells a coherent story.

Noted. Chalk it up as frustration and disappointment as I would have expected more seasons. Now we have 'Pro Wrasslin' on a 'SyFy' channel.

Grand Lodge

Urizen wrote:


Noted. Chalk it up as frustration and disappointment as I would have expected more seasons. Now we have 'Pro Wrasslin' on a 'SyFy' channel.

Much as I'd like to rage at SyFy, I recognise the fact that they've got to pay the bills, the shows at SyFy are facing the exact same problem that Star Trek had during it's original NBC run, very rabid fandom, but not the viewer numbers to attract the advertising needed to pay for it.

The Wrestling shows are cheap to produce.... and they bring in the bucks. At least it's not calling itself the Sci-Fi channel any more.


I loved Caprica. I knew it was doomed to fail. Not enough explosions and naked chicks.

And V? Dear lord it is becoming painful to watch. At least it had some explosions.

I guess.

Blech.


Caprica was the only show I had left watching on SyFy, and I would have completely missed the final five episodes (heh) had I not had my DVR to automatically record new eps. Now that the show is over, SyFy has lost me as a viewer completely.

Not that I necessarily will miss it, given what's left.


LazarX wrote:
Much as I'd like to rage at SyFy, I recognise the fact that they've got to pay the bills, the shows at SyFy are facing the exact same problem that Star Trek had during it's original NBC run, very rabid fandom, but not the viewer numbers to attract the advertising needed to pay for it

I'd say the situation is different, or perhaps even worse for SciFi.

The problem is that fans of Science Fiction are, by in large, more intelligent and more technologically adept than the average viewer. As a result, they are watching their shows on streaming sites, via DVRs that skip commercials, etc.

The problem isn't always the number of eyeballs on the show ... it's the number of eyeballs on the commercials that pay for the show. This is one of the inherent problems of producing sustainable SciFi. The other is that the spending habits of the target demo with their disposable income doesn't line up well with most major advertisers. It's simply much easier to part fools and their money.

FWIW,

R.

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CourtFool wrote:

I loved Caprica. I knew it was doomed to fail. Not enough explosions and naked chicks.

And V? Dear lord it is becoming painful to watch. At least it had some explosions.

I guess.

Blech.

Well since it looks like we're going to lose one of my reasons for watching (Rekma Sharma) soon, I'm in the same boat. (Sorry, Morena, you're hotter with long hair) What? The only reason to watch V was for eye candy.

Spoiler:
That and it's predictable. Actor or actress who's done sci-fi recently? Alien.

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Rezdave wrote:

I'd say the situation is different, or perhaps even worse for SciFi.

The problem is that fans of Science Fiction are, by in large, more intelligent and more technologically adept than the average viewer. As a result, they are watching their shows on streaming sites, via DVRs that skip commercials, etc.

The problem isn't always the number of eyeballs on the show ... it's the number of eyeballs on the commercials that pay for the show. This is one of the inherent problems of producing sustainable SciFi. The other is that the spending habits of the target demo with their disposable income doesn't line up well with most major advertisers. It's simply much easier to part fools and their money.

FWIW,

R.

Akin to this is product placement. I mean in Law & Order, you can get ad revenue from Coke or Pepsi by having the characters drinking only that brand, or revenue from having all the cars being X make, etc.

Shows like Caprica, SG Universe, Star Trek, etc, you can't do that. We can accept Colonial Marines with P-90's and Glocks, but the minute you see Adama chug a Red Bull to stay awake, it snaps you right out of the suspension of disbelief.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Akin to this is product placement ... Shows like Caprica, SG Universe, Star Trek, etc, you can't do that.

Product placement is a relatively minor revenue stream, regardless of what Attack of the Killer Tomatoes 2 would have you believe. I did one show with the product-placement of a brand of bottled water, and all it got us was case-loads of the stuff for the use of our office staff. Cut down on the craft-service budget a little, but that's about it.

Look at LotR ... absolutely no product placement therein, but they did fine with marketing partners ("Burger King ... official fast-food chain of Middle Earth"). There are ways around it.

R.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Well since it looks like we're going to lose one of my reasons for watching (Rekma Sharma) soon, I'm in the same boat.

Oh the sting of betrayal from a peripheral character whose name I can not even remember. We never saw it coming! Except…we did.

Anyone else think the V's need to park somewhere else? They are blocking my sun.

Grand Lodge

Rezdave wrote:


The problem is that fans of Science Fiction are, by in large, more intelligent and more technologically adept than the average viewer.

Actually it's more accurate to say that the fans THINK themselves more intelligent than the average viewer. It's not nearly as accurate as they might believe.

Why do some SciFi shows prosper and other's don't? Because the ones that do fanservice in the form of cheesecake and explosions and most of them wouldn't know a classic well written SF novel if I slapped them in the face with it. SF fans aren't that much different than the average audience, they just look for different wrappings for their cheesecake.

Seriously. I point to one of the best SF films produced in the last decade... well written, thought provoking, and tightly shot and well acted... But how many of those "intelligent" SF fans of yours gave the film "Moon" a winner of the Sundance Film awards, more than a passing glance?

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CourtFool wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Well since it looks like we're going to lose one of my reasons for watching (Rekma Sharma) soon, I'm in the same boat.

Oh the sting of betrayal from a peripheral character whose name I can not even remember. We never saw it coming! Except…we did.

Anyone else think the V's need to park somewhere else? They are blocking my sun.

Yes, I still call her 'Tory'.

Edit: I like Rekma Sharma and want to see more of her (in all contexts).

I will admit though, having Jane Balder playing 'Diana' was a good move from the nostalgia bit. The last episode was painful though. "We're going to quantify the soul" Really?


Matthew Morris wrote:
The last episode was painful though. "We're going to quantify the soul" Really?

Yeah. I think I am done with V.


Matthew Morris wrote:
CourtFool wrote:

I loved Caprica. I knew it was doomed to fail. Not enough explosions and naked chicks.

And V? Dear lord it is becoming painful to watch. At least it had some explosions.

I guess.

Blech.

Well since it looks like we're going to lose one of my reasons for watching (Rekma Sharma) soon, I'm in the same boat. (Sorry, Morena, you're hotter with long hair) What? The only reason to watch V was for eye candy.

** spoiler omitted **

Rekma Sharma You have strange tastes MM.

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Xabulba wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
CourtFool wrote:

I loved Caprica. I knew it was doomed to fail. Not enough explosions and naked chicks.

And V? Dear lord it is becoming painful to watch. At least it had some explosions.

I guess.

Blech.

Well since it looks like we're going to lose one of my reasons for watching (Rekma Sharma) soon, I'm in the same boat. (Sorry, Morena, you're hotter with long hair) What? The only reason to watch V was for eye candy.

** spoiler omitted **

Rekma Sharma You have strange tastes MM.

My error, it's Rekha Sharma, and different one. :P


The first canon map of the Twelve Colonies star system.

Interesting stuff. The colonies are located in a four-star system, consisting of two binaries orbiting one another. Caprica and Gemenon are a double-planet formation (as shown briefly in CAPRICA) whilst Canceron and Aerilon are located at the Lagrange points of the gas giant Hestia. The gas giant Ragnar (home of the Anchorage) is in a separate orbit around the barycenter of the Helios Gamma/Delta system, and thus is on the outskirts of the entire system, as indicated in the original BSG mini-series.

Interesting stuff. Not hugely plausible, and they probably should have made some of the Colonies as moons rather than fully-blown planets, but intriguing nevertheless. Certainly more plausible than the totally bonkers map of the FIREFLY 'verse they put out a couple of years back.


This was my favorite show. Going to miss it.


Siffy fired me.

What? Too soon?

Grand Lodge

Werthead wrote:

The first canon map of the Twelve Colonies star system.

Interesting stuff. The colonies are located in a four-star system, consisting of two binaries orbiting one another. Caprica and Gemenon are a double-planet formation (as shown briefly in CAPRICA) whilst Canceron and Aerilon are located at the Lagrange points of the gas giant Hestia. The gas giant Ragnar (home of the Anchorage) is in a separate orbit around the barycenter of the Helios Gamma/Delta system, and thus is on the outskirts of the entire system, as indicated in the original BSG mini-series.

Interesting stuff. Not hugely plausible, and they probably should have made some of the Colonies as moons rather than fully-blown planets, but intriguing nevertheless. Certainly more plausible than the totally bonkers map of the FIREFLY 'verse they put out a couple of years back.

The maps look good but even with my limited background they Fail Astrophysics Forever As laid out they planetary systems suffer from the following problems.

The varying distances from the primaries mean some very major temperature variations (look at Mars, Earth, Venus for examples) Also the highly inclined planetary orbits in an inner planet region aren't stable over the long term due to pertubation.

The Binary world of Caprica and Gemenom is particurlarly interesting? How would two bodies of such large mass form that close to each other without one absorbing the other? The acretion body that was larger would have attracted the bulk of the mass that would have gone into both worlds. It's the same problem of the origin of the Earth-Moon system only to a higher degree since the worlds are both large and so close to each other.

The creators had made the stars K type stars to allow them to be smaller suns yet preserve a night sky despite the fact they were so close. The problem is with stars that dim, in order to have a decent temperature on your planet it has to be located so close to the primary that it becomes tidally locked to it long before life could evolve on the system. And the sun by neccessity would fill up the bulk of the (eternal) daytime sky. (presumably the 12 worlds were habitable before the colonists arrived)

Then again, it least they did a better job than Joss Whedon and it looks pretty. That's close enough for SciFi work.


LazarX wrote:

Then again, it least they did a better job than Joss Whedon and it looks pretty. That's close enough for SciFi work.

hugs Caprica

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