How do you save an unconscious starved creature / character?


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From the rules:

Quote:

A character can go without food for 3 days, in growing discomfort. After this time, the character must make a Constitution check each day (DC 10, +1 for each previous check) or take 1d6 points of nonlethal damage. Characters that take an amount of nonlethal damage equal to their total hit points begin to take lethal damage instead.

Characters who have taken nonlethal damage from lack of food or water are fatigued. Nonlethal damage from thirst or starvation cannot be recovered until the character gets food or water, as needed—not even magic that restores hit points heals this damage.

What happens if you take enough non-lethal damage from starvation so that you become unconscious? Can anyone save you? RAW, healing spells don't work, and i don't think you can eat while sleeping, so after you become unconscious there is no way you can be rescued.

Also it would be interesting if someone dealt with a similar situation in real life or if medical training teaches you about this...

Thanks.


Feed them like you would a baby, all liquids. The swallow and suckle reflexes are unconscious.

I was reading Song of Ice and Fire, and in the first book, there is a character that falls and ends up in a coma. They kept him alive with honey and beef broth.

FYI, I can feed my baby daughter while she is asleep with no problems.


You can coax broth down the person's throat. Being unconscious stops you from chewing, but you can be made to swallow and will digest as normal.

Ninja'd! :-D


Pretty much. Don't feed them too much at a time, as their body could end up diverting too much energy from just staying alive to processing food and they die. You have to feed people who have been starved carefully - especially if they were starved slowly over an extended period of time.


As a side note, dehydration will kill you long before starvation will, so you usually want to start with some water first, then more to liquid foods.

Scarab Sages

Full round action to feed a potion down an unconscious someone, I believe. I imagine you could do the same with water, broth, or what have you.


Ring of Sustenance. Feed them and give them water without feeding them or giving them water.

If they are unconcious from dehydration/starving non lethal damage then 24 hours (according to game rules) shouldn't kill them.

Otherwise a Wish or Miracle that they were well fed and hydrated should do the trick, since used like that neither is a spell or magic that heals HP damage.

Also note that while the NON lethal damage cannot be healed until they are fed, it does not say the LETHAL damage you take once you reach your HP in non lethal cannot be. So you can use normal healing to keep them alive but unconcious until such time as you can use your healing skill to feed them back to consciousness or until the ring kicks in.


Ideal solution: Regenerate.

If that high a level magic isn't practical or available, the longer way would be: Create water and hopefully the subject is in some sort of depression or tub* - make sure they do not drown! Then either aid or bear's endurance to raise the subjects hit points enough to wake them - makes feeding and hydrating easier. With a quick lesser restoration to remove the fatigue. This won't get them back on their feet as fast as regenerate, but it will get them to a workable state the fastest.

*No, osmosis isn't the fastest or most efficient way to hydrate, but it is a constant method that won't hurt if you keep the subject from drowning.

Liberty's Edge

Create water and Goodberry are the only spells you'll never need. Forget about fireball.

Dark Archive

Disenchanter wrote:
*No, osmosis isn't the fastest or most efficient way to hydrate, but it is a constant method that won't hurt if you keep the subject from drowning.

I read a horrific tale of some people trapped at sea in a lifeboat who had to use seawater to avoid dehydration. If they drank it, the salt would have killed them even faster than if they hadn't, but if they absorbed the water from the other end, the salt didn't get absorbed.

Ew.

Silver Crusade

^^^^

Good Lord my mind.

How do you even....I mean how do you....GAH!

Scarab Sages

Wow. Is it bad that the story gives me an idea for a monster?

"Who is that terrible creature?"

"He's your worst enema."

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

1. Polymorph into a plant, and photosynthesis.

2. Do NOT look up the Human Centipede!!!

Silver Crusade

SmiloDan wrote:


2. Do NOT look up the Human Centipede!!!

Good Lord my mind. Again.

edit-THERE'S A FLASH GAME FOR THIS?!?!

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Mikaze wrote:
SmiloDan wrote:


2. Do NOT look up the Human Centipede!!!

Good Lord my mind. Again.

edit-THERE'S A FLASH GAME FOR THIS?!?!

I TOLD you NOT to look up the HC.

The horror....

Dark Archive

It's like a car wreck. I want to click on the link, but I'm afraid that I'll never be able to unsee what I might see...


Set wrote:
Disenchanter wrote:
*No, osmosis isn't the fastest or most efficient way to hydrate, but it is a constant method that won't hurt if you keep the subject from drowning.

I read a horrific tale of some people trapped at sea in a lifeboat who had to use seawater to avoid dehydration. If they drank it, the salt would have killed them even faster than if they hadn't, but if they absorbed the water from the other end, the salt didn't get absorbed.

Ew.

It wasn't salt water, the salt would have been absorbed too, it was rainwater that collected in the bottom of the boat but was contaminated by the remains of seagulls, fish and turtles they had been catching. The bacteria would have been poisonous if swallowed, but the inside of the rectum is designed to absorb water and not bacteria and other, er, stuff.

So it was logical, and it worked, and it kept everyone alive, and they came out unhurt.

Sovereign Court

Dabbler wrote:
Set wrote:
Disenchanter wrote:
*No, osmosis isn't the fastest or most efficient way to hydrate, but it is a constant method that won't hurt if you keep the subject from drowning.

I read a horrific tale of some people trapped at sea in a lifeboat who had to use seawater to avoid dehydration. If they drank it, the salt would have killed them even faster than if they hadn't, but if they absorbed the water from the other end, the salt didn't get absorbed.

Ew.

It wasn't salt water, the salt would have been absorbed too, it was rainwater that collected in the bottom of the boat but was contaminated by the remains of seagulls, fish and turtles they had been catching. The bacteria would have been poisonous if swallowed, but the inside of the rectum is designed to absorb water and not bacteria and other, er, stuff.

So it was logical, and it worked, and it kept everyone alive, and they came out unhurt.

Well, the term "unhurt" must be relative. I'm pretty sure I would have been scarred by that experience...

Scarab Sages

Four very bored guys sitting in a boat... One of the guys yawns and looks up.

"Hey Bill, watch this!"


Nebelwerfer41 wrote:
Dabbler wrote:
So it was logical, and it worked, and it kept everyone alive, and they came out unhurt.
Well, the term "unhurt" must be relative. I'm pretty sure I would have been scarred by that experience...

If it saved my life, I could get over it. Even if I never looked at a rubber hose the same way again ...


Set wrote:

It's like a car wreck. I want to click on the link, but I'm afraid that I'll never be able to unsee what I might see...

Pfft, it ain't even that bad. The idea of it is horrible, but the realization in the trailer is pretty tame.

Most funny thing is the "100% medically acurate" tag. Yeah right.

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