Quick questions about the timing of opportunity attacks,
If a monster is hit by an op attack while moving out of a threatened square, and the player that hit it has the Stand Still feat, which square does the monster come to a halt in?
If a monster stands up from prone and provokes an op attack, does the monster have the prone condition during the op attack?
Thanks.
I would say they stop in the square where you originally threatened them.
If X tries to move to the right and evokes an AoO and the feat is used they would remain where they are.
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If X tries to move straight up it would remain in square a since this is the original threatened square they would be leaving from.
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I would also apply the prone condition to a creature that is trying to stand since they are in the act of standing. As opposed to being fully up and ready to fight. There are reasons to try and Acrobatic your way to standing.
To further clarify, many timess an AoO (Attack of Opportunity) is triggered by an enemy leaving a space you threaten while moving into a space that you do not. For example, if you and I are fighting each other with normal longswords, then we are in adjacent squares. If I move directly backward, I leave the space that you threaten and move into a space that you do not.
This would trigger an AoO.
But, if we accept an initial premise that your AoO strikes me after I have moved into that square that you cannot reach, then we have to ask, how could you possibly have hit me there when you cannot possibly reach me?
This would be a question that we cannot answer within the rules. Therefore, I suggest that such an unresolvable situation proves that the initial premise must be wrong, and therefore you must strike me before I leave the square that you are capable of reaching.
Which then must be true in all cases, even if I do choose to move laterally into another space that you do threaten - either way, moving into reach or moving out of reach, only one rule can apply, and that would be the one that lets you hit me in all cases: you must make your AoO while I am still in your threatened space.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Attacks of Opportunity always interrupted the actions that triggered them.
So, if an opponent moves out of a threatened square, then the attack happens before he is able to actually leave the square (think of it as you attack just as drops his guard to begin making his move).
Likewise, if an opponent you threaten is prone and decides to stand up, he provokes before he actually makes it to his feet, meaning he has the prone condition.
That's how my group plays. I could be wrong.
-Skeld
Only specific actions will be interrupted by them. It is not the general rule though.
To further clarify, many timess an AoO (Attack of Opportunity) is triggered by an enemy leaving a space you threaten while moving into a space that you do not. For example, if you and I are fighting each other with normal longswords, then we are in adjacent squares. If I move directly backward, I leave the space that you threaten and move into a space that you do not.
This would trigger an AoO.
To further clarify the clarification, it will NOT provoke and AoO if it is just a 5-foot step or making a withdraw action.
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Only specific actions will be interrupted by them. It is not the general rule though.I guess I was thinking about this:
An attack of opportunity “interrupts” the normal flow of actions in the round. If an attack of opportunity is provoked, immediately resolve the attack of opportunity, then continue with the next character's turn (or complete the current turn, if the attack of opportunity was provoked in the midst of a character's turn).
I always took the word "immediately" to mean to resolve the AoO before the triggering action. Once the AoO is resolved, move on as usual. The outcome of the triggering action (and the opponent that preformed the triggering action) depends on the result of the AoO and the listed consequences for the triggering action (if any).
-Skeld
Why would they bother with the Stand Still feat if a normal attack already stopped motion?
To further clarify, many timess an AoO (Attack of Opportunity) is triggered by an enemy leaving a space you threaten while moving into a space that you do not. For example, if you and I are fighting each other with normal longswords, then we are in adjacent squares. If I move directly backward, I leave the space that you threaten and move into a space that you do not.
This would trigger an AoO.
To further clarify the clarification, it will NOT provoke and AoO if it is just a 5-foot step or making a withdraw action.
Quite right. I took it for granted that we all knew that.
Why would they bother with the Stand Still feat if a normal attack already stopped motion?
They don't; normal attacks (and normal AoOs) don't "interrupt" anything. They hit, damage is resolved, and then the action that triggered the AoO continues (unless the guy is dead or incapacitated by the attack).
(note that taking damage can interrupt spellcasting; in this case it's not the attack specifically that interrupts the spell, but the damage from the attack - a minor technicality, but an important one).
Some special AoOs, such as those that use the Stand Still feat, are exceptions; that's why they bother with the feat.
I know that, but Skeld's group doesn't. :P That was my point exactly.
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Why would they bother with the Stand Still feat if a normal attack already stopped motion?
I must have missed something: who said that a normal AoO stopped a creature from leaving a threatened square on a successful hit? I don't think I said that.
-Skeld
Edit: I guess I'm not communicating effectively. that's what I get for posting past my normal bedtime.
Thanks, we had been playing that an AoO stopped the creature in the square it was moving to, but I like your arguments for the other way better.
Why would they bother with the Stand Still feat if a normal attack already stopped motion?I must have missed something: who said that a normal AoO stopped a creature from leaving a threatened square on a successful hit? I don't think I said that.
-Skeld
Edit: I guess I'm not communicating effectively. that's what I get for posting past my normal bedtime.
It's ok, I misread you as well. I thought when you said, "Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Attacks of Opportunity always interrupted the actions that triggered them." You meant the action they where trying to do was completely stopped. It was like three here as well, lol.