TriOmegaZero
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At the levels specified, (3rd, 6th, 9th, 12th, 15th, 18th), the Paladin selects one condition. Every time he uses Lay on Hands, it removes any of the selected conditions as well as healing the target. So at 3rd you remove one condition, 6th two conditions, and so on, with every use. No picking and choosing at the time of use.
| ZappoHisbane |
Bummer. Can't decide between Sickened and Fatigued, because I'm not sure which condition comes up more often, Nauseated or Exhausted.
Well first off, having the ability to remove Fatigue with a Mercy won't do anything if the subject is Exhauseted. Likewise Sickened/Nauseated.
If you're choosing between Fatigue and Sickened, I'd probably go with Fatigue. If you have a Barbarian in the party, you're his new best friend, not just for fixing up his wounds after the fight, but getting rid of that pesky post-rage fatigue. Or, if you don't mind losing a use of LoH each morning, you can safely sleep in your full armor.
| Varthanna |
Erevis Cale wrote:Bummer. Can't decide between Sickened and Fatigued, because I'm not sure which condition comes up more often, Nauseated or Exhausted.Well first off, having the ability to remove Fatigue with a Mercy won't do anything if the subject is Exhauseted. Likewise Sickened/Nauseated.
If you're choosing between Fatigue and Sickened, I'd probably go with Fatigue. If you have a Barbarian in the party, you're his new best friend, not just for fixing up his wounds after the fight, but getting rid of that pesky post-rage fatigue. Or, if you don't mind losing a use of LoH each morning, you can safely sleep in your full armor.
I assume he was talking about the 9th level Mercies, which those have as prerequisites
| Erevis Cale |
Nauseated hurts more but I think fatigue and Exhausted come up more often.
Yeah, and if I'm nauseated I can't do LoH on myself anyways, so I'll go with Fatigued and then later on, Exhausted.
Of course you could spend the feats to have all of them.
Don't have that many feats. :D And even if I had, there are better options than that.
The curse breaker is really useful as well and the one that cleans off stun is a must (if late game).
We're playing Council of Thieves, which goes up to 13th lvl, if I'm not wrong.
| Louis IX |
This Paladin ability is interesting, but not being able to choose which effect applies can be disconcerting. Imagine the following case:
- you have one use left
- one of your party members is badly wounded
- another one is cursed
What are you going to do?
Another question is about debilitating things like Mummy's Rot, which, IIRC, has to be healed by applying Remove Disease and Remove Curse.
If you choose these two effects as mercies, is one use or LoH enough to cure it?
| Erevis Cale |
This Paladin ability is interesting, but not being able to choose which effect applies can be disconcerting. Imagine the following case:
- you have one use left
- one of your party members is badly wounded
- another one is cursed
What are you going to do?
Kill everything that's still standing and then take your time. Healing in combat, unless you're using the actual Heal spell, is downright useless.
| hogarth |
Quote:Nauseated hurts more but I think fatigue and Exhausted come up more often.Yeah, and if I'm nauseated I can't do LoH on myself anyways [...]
Sure you can. It's a swift action:
"Using this ability is a standard action, unless the paladin targets herself, in which case it is a swift action."| Abciximab |
Erevis Cale wrote:Quote:Nauseated hurts more but I think fatigue and Exhausted come up more often.Yeah, and if I'm nauseated I can't do LoH on myself anyways [...]Sure you can. It's a swift action:
"Using this ability is a standard action, unless the paladin targets herself, in which case it is a swift action."
Nauseated: Creatures with the nauseated condition experience stomach distress. Nauseated creatures are unable to attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. The only action such a character can take is a single move actions per turn.
Swift action or not, I would say they couldn't use it.
| hogarth |
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Nauseated: Creatures with the nauseated condition experience stomach distress. Nauseated creatures are unable to attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. The only action such a character can take is a single move actions per turn.
Swift action or not, I would say they couldn't use it.
Hmm. Interesting point; if you interpret it that way, you can't even perform a free action like dropping an item, speaking or ceasing concentration on a spell! (Even though you're required to stop concentrating on spells...)
But on the other hand, elsewhere it suggests that even if you're restricted to a single standard or move action, you can still use free and swift actions:
"Restricted Activity: In some situations, you may be unable to take a full round's worth of actions. In such cases, you are restricted to taking only a single standard action or a single move action (plus free and swift actions as normal)."