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I must admit, the size of the book makes it awkward to handle and I can imagine the extra weight may put more stress on the spine - then if it was dropped....!
There is something to be said for having two seperate books for PHB and DMG rather than a single combined book like PF. The only other book I have that is the size of PF is Starblazer Adventures but I haven't had to use that yet, and even then I don't see it getting referenced as much during play as PF would.
Sorry for your loss - perhaps you could take it into a print shop and get the spine cleanly guillotined off and then perhaps bound in some other way (maybe breaking it down into smaller manageable chunks - at least it would then be a spare copy for players.
*plays funeral dirge*
With the costs involved when rebinding, may be more cost effective to take the hit and rebuy.
Sorry to hear of the death of one of the tomes!
Im glad they decided on one book though to be honest rather than two, two is firstly an excuse for it to cost more overall and in comparison the big tome is very reasonably priced to other/previous game editions, plus I like my one repository of information, I dont have to keep referring to other books when rules overlap or need further explaining for a GM's use.
Plus it has other uses, i.e repelling a burglar from your home by using it as a weapon :), acting as a bullet shield should someone try to shoot you on the way home from a session...
Drac.
One of my players was fiddling with it. The next second I head the book go "RIP!!!"
He panics and drops it to the floor...
That really sucks about your book man. My 3.5 DMG looks the same way; the binding just gave out.
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Plus it has other uses, i.e repelling a burglar from your home by using it as a weapon :), acting as a bullet shield should someone try to shoot you on the way home from a session...
Drac.
I'd prefer Monte Cook's Ptolus: City by the Spire for that :)
edit: for the added thickness, not as throwaway, that books great :)
You have me worried.
My binding is beginning to look suspiciously frail. And I've got a signed, first print run book, so I DON'T want this to happen.
I initially read this as Death by Core Rulebook, and I thought, yeah, I can see that.
Sorry for your loss.
My binding is beginning to look suspiciously frail. And I've got a signed, first print run book, so I DON'T want this to happen.
If you're worried about losing your first ed with signatures, I'd go ahead and get a second book for play and put this one on a shelf.
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It looks like the pages are still in good shape.
I had this happen to a book before, I 3-hole punched it and put it in a couple of smaller binders. That might work for you. If you're going to throw it away, send it to me. I'll totally make some binders out of it. One for spells would be a great table resource.
It looks like the pages are still in good shape.
I had this happen to a book before, I 3-hole punched it and put it in a couple of smaller binders. That might work for you. If you're going to throw it away, send it to me. I'll totally make some binders out of it. One for spells would be a great table resource.
+1
Some of the books printed for GURPS 3rd Edition weren't very durable. My solution when some of my heavy-use books began to fall apart, was to remove (read: very gently pull the page from the worn out glue binding), and stick each page into a sheet protector. All the sheet protectors went into Super Heavy Duty 3-ring binders. The book covers were like a cereal box in thickness, so I was able to slip them into the front and back cover pockets. I called them "Binderized Books".
They worked great!
They are incredibly durable, and survived all manner of spills. Worst thing was a little scuffing on one of the sheet protectors, and replacing it was a simple matter of putting the page in another sheet protector. The books lay flat on the table, and I would even roll dice on them while they were open.
The only drawback is the bulk. Binders and sheet protectors make the book a lot heavier than normal, and take up a little more room than a standard book. For a heavy-use table copy, I consider this tradeoff and the small effort well worth it.
That looks just like my book. I took it to Staples and had it three hole punched. Now I can print out APG classes and stick them into the binder along with the core classes. Actually, I need to get on that now that I think about it. Thanks for reminding me.
Death? Wow - that's nothing in these parts. I was expecting a massacre, but if you can still read it, it is still breathing for our group. On your feet and back to the front, Soldier!
;p
Peace,
DoD - Kev
*hums Taps*
There is another thread on here somewhere about this same issue. It sounds like it is pretty common. Oh well, it is a lot of pages and full of good stuff.
See I don't see that as ruined. My 3.5 has entire sections I can take out and put back in.
It's very useful. I can hand the spells to the wizard, the feats to the fighter, the skills to the rogue and then put it all back in the binding at the end of the day to keep the pages straight.
I use it all the time to get to the important parts of a rules disagreement, since its easier to flip through the smaller sections.
Just get yourself a prettier one for those fancy games and keep using this one as your "travel copy" -- just like any smart wizard does!
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It looks like the pages are still in good shape.
I had this happen to a book before, I 3-hole punched it and put it in a couple of smaller binders. That might work for you. If you're going to throw it away, send it to me. I'll totally make some binders out of it. One for spells would be a great table resource.+1
Some of the books printed for GURPS 3rd Edition weren't very durable. My solution when some of my heavy-use books began to fall apart, was to remove (read: very gently pull the page from the worn out glue binding), and stick each page into a sheet protector. All the sheet protectors went into Super Heavy Duty 3-ring binders. The book covers were like a cereal box in thickness, so I was able to slip them into the front and back cover pockets. I called them "Binderized Books".
They worked great!
They are incredibly durable, and survived all manner of spills. Worst thing was a little scuffing on one of the sheet protectors, and replacing it was a simple matter of putting the page in another sheet protector. The books lay flat on the table, and I would even roll dice on them while they were open.
The only drawback is the bulk. Binders and sheet protectors make the book a lot heavier than normal, and take up a little more room than a standard book. For a heavy-use table copy, I consider this tradeoff and the small effort well worth it.
+2 I have doen this more then once, Hero system rule book, Gurps, Rolemaster. Works wonders.
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So I got a question. Which one of you guys or gals do I have to hug for getting me a NEW Core Rulebook? Was clearing out my inbox and I got a message from Paizo customer service saying I received a gift. A gift certificate for one brand new book.
There are few things that make want to cry, and this is one them. One of you took your hard earned cash and gave it to this bum of a guy... Thank you doesn't even cover it. But that's all I'm able to do. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
This really is a great group of people to associate with, and I'll never forget this!
Lazaro Mares
That's awesome. Gratz man :D
Great story. Give the wounded solider to the butterfingers player. He can bind it up with tape.
I find it amusing that if this was a WotC product we would still be clearing away the flaming wreckage of the effigies.
So I got a question. Which one of you guys or gals do I have to hug for getting me a NEW Core Rulebook? Was clearing out my inbox and I got a message from Paizo customer service saying I received a gift. A gift certificate for one brand new book.
Maybe the player in your group who unwillingly ruined it ? I don't know, I'm only guessing here.
Maybe the player in your group who unwillingly ruined it ? I don't know, I'm only guessing here.So I got a question. Which one of you guys or gals do I have to hug for getting me a NEW Core Rulebook? Was clearing out my inbox and I got a message from Paizo customer service saying I received a gift. A gift certificate for one brand new book.
Depends. Is he still alive?
I have not read this whole thing but have saw the pics. You can indeed salvage that book. Two weeks ago I dropped my book and the back cover got hung in a nearby chair handle. The result was pretty much the same thing that happened to your book except mine also tore the outside of the spin.
Now lucky I had items I needed after having to repair another book before.What you need is some non-acidic adhesive and some none acidic tape. Both should be able to find in a store that sells scapebooking items.
You glue along the spine but not a huge amount as to much makes it bleed over. Then you can put some weight on the spine {I used another book) and let it set. After that you need to match up the damage on the inside of the page and use a bit of glue maybe. The you use the tap to reinforce your page repair. Be sure to get all the air bubbles out.
After your done your book and spine with be as good as knew with only the inner page even showing damage.
Edit: I see ya got a new book as well, awesome, but if ya take those steps above your old book will be fine as well. Never hurts to have an extra :)
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Mine's looking precariously close to the same problem, and I've been absolutely meticulous with how I've handled it.
However, your book didn't fail. That was explained quite clearly to us on the other thread about the failing bindings.
You wouldn't happen to also know if this is a continuing problem with later printings, would you?
I have not read this whole thing but have saw the pics. You can indeed salvage that book. Two weeks ago I dropped my book and the back cover got hung in a nearby chair handle. The result was pretty much the same thing that happened to your book except mine also tore the outside of the spin.
Now lucky I had items I needed after having to repair another book before.What you need is some non-acidic adhesive and some none acidic tape. Both should be able to find in a store that sells scapebooking items.
You glue along the spine but not a huge amount as to much makes it bleed over. Then you can put some weight on the spine {I used another book) and let it set. After that you need to match up the damage on the inside of the page and use a bit of glue maybe. The you use the tap to reinforce your page repair. Be sure to get all the air bubbles out.
After your done your book and spine with be as good as knew with only the inner page even showing damage.
Edit: I see ya got a new book as well, awesome, but if ya take those steps above your old book will be fine as well. Never hurts to have an extra :)
Thanks for this info, seeker.
You wouldn't happen to also know if this is a continuing problem with later printings, would you?Mine's looking precariously close to the same problem, and I've been absolutely meticulous with how I've handled it.
However, your book didn't fail. That was explained quite clearly to us on the other thread about the failing bindings.
It seems to be a problem with quite a few of them. I've got two first-printings and two second printings, and the cover is not secure on any of them. 4 other copies in my gaming group all exhibit some stage of this. Of the four copies on my shelf, they're all lightly used - two of them only opened 3 or 4 times.
If I had to guess, I'd say it has to do with the decision to not glue the cover to the spine of the book. If you're holding the book upright, you're putting a lot of stress on those pastedowns, which appear to be the only thing holding the contents to the cover.
Glad ya found it useful Sharoth.
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You wouldn't happen to also know if this is a continuing problem with later printings, would you?Mine's looking precariously close to the same problem, and I've been absolutely meticulous with how I've handled it.
However, your book didn't fail. That was explained quite clearly to us on the other thread about the failing bindings.
It seems to be a problem with quite a few of them. I've got two first-printings and two second printings, and the cover is not secure on any of them. 4 other copies in my gaming group all exhibit some stage of this. Of the four copies on my shelf, they're all lightly used - two of them only opened 3 or 4 times.
If I had to guess, I'd say it has to do with the decision to not glue the cover to the spine of the book. If you're holding the book upright, you're putting a lot of stress on those pastedowns, which appear to be the only thing holding the contents to the cover.
All my RPG books are stored horizontally. Seems to help them in the long run.