Will my stored chill touch discharge or dissipate when I use grave touch?


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In other words, can I hit a foe with a stored touch spell and my bloodline ability at the same time?

The rules state that a held charge dissipates if I cast a spell, but grave touch is a "bloodline power". I'm not even sure if it is a spell-like ability. In the description above it is refered to as a "special ability". Is there a reference that can clean this up for me? Thanks


Rules for holding a charge.

Spoiler:

Holding the Charge: If you don't discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the charge indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren't considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack normally doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack. If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

Grave Touch is a spell like ability.

Spoiler:

Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.

A spell-like ability has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell.

Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

Some creatures actually cast arcane spells as sorcerers do, using components when required. Some creatures have both spell-like abilities and actual spellcasting power.


Essentially, using a spell-like abilities is the same as casting a spell with no components.

So using grave touch would cause chill touch to dissipate.


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Charender wrote:

Rules for holding a charge.

** spoiler omitted **

Grave Touch is a spell like ability.
** spoiler omitted **
Essentially, using a spell-like abilities is the same as...

I once asked if my necromancer lich could use vampiric touch, his paralyzing touch, negative energy attack, and his grave touch ability simultaneously. Game designer basically said yes if I recall correctly.

I will see if I can dig up the thread.

EDIT: I found the thread, but it was just some random poster who answered, not a game designer.


Ravingdork wrote:
Charender wrote:

Rules for holding a charge.

** spoiler omitted **

Grave Touch is a spell like ability.
** spoiler omitted **
Essentially, using a spell-like abilities is the same as...

I once asked if my necromancer lich could use vampiric touch, his paralyzing touch, negative energy attack, and his grave touch ability simultaneously. Game designer basically said yes if I recall correctly.

I will see if I can dig up the thread.

EDIT: I found the thread, but it was just some random poster who answered, not a game designer.

Vampiric touch is a spell with a charge.

Paralyzing Touch is supernatural so it does not count as casting another spell and thus doesn't dissipate the charge.
The negative energy damage from the touch attack does not have a type listed, but probably counts as a supernatural ability(I would expect it to not work in an anti-magic field). It get the same treatment as Paralyzing Touch.
Grave touch is a spell-like ability and thus would cause the vampiric touch charge to dissipate when you activate it.

Read the last post in the thread you linked, you can use all of the lich's abilities in combination with a single touch spell or spell-like ability, but you cannot combine 2 spells or spell-like abilities into the same touch attack.

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