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Feat: Piling On
you are skilled in dealing more damage to prone opponents.
Prerequisites:
14 strength and must have size medium or larger
Benefit:
Deal 1/2 level + strenght modifier non-lethal damage to a prone target, if wearing metal like armor treat damage as lethal (blundgeon).
The prone target recives a Reflex save DC (attackers CMB) for half damage.
After dealing damage the attacker fall prone in a square around the opponent.
Piling On provokes attack of oppertunity.
wanted to hear if this was to weak or overpowered feat?
if so what would you change?
Thanks alot
Utii
I think it is too weak. If you are a monk, then you'd deal more damage with your fists. If you not a monk, it is somewhat the same. Hitting all you attacks with a gauntlet would be better, than giving ½ level + str, especially since he gets a save for half damage AND you are knocked prone yourself.
To me, it also seem more like a combat maneuver than a feat. I don't have a specific suggestion at the moment, but I'll give it some consideration.
And how rare is it to have prone opponents?
I thought the Feat "Piling On" message board feat. ;-P
Seems unnecessarily different from existing rules. Why not the following:
Piling On
Prerequisites: Str 13, any one Improved combat maneuver feat (Improved Trip, Improved Grapple, etc).
If you are standing, as a standard action, you may make a special Combat Maneuver check against a prone foe. If you succeed, you may deal damage as if you succeeded in maintaining a grapple against that opponent (unarmed, natural attack, armor spikes, etc.), except that you may not use the light or one-handed weapon damage options.
Whether or not you succeed, you fall prone.
The original might be worth it as a free action. You could take a full attack action (doing normal damage), then get some extra damage by falling on them. Falling on them is already a free action; the feat just allows you to actually do damage.
It is probably still weak, since it provokes an AoO (which just falling prone would not) and leaves you prone. OTOH, if that wizard is almost unconscious, the AoO won't matter and preventing him from getting off one more spell could easily be worth becoming prone.
The save DC is also probably too low, especially at low levels, although not at high levels. Part of the problem is that saves increase as level/2 or level/3, but CMB/CMD increases at level (for anyone who would want to take this feat). Straight CMB opposed by CMD is probably the best way to handle it. (The target will even have -4 to CMD for being prone.)
The size restriction should probably also be relative to the target size. Why can a normal human pile on to the Tarrasque, but a halfling cannot pile onto a Fine creature? Either your size or smaller, or at most one size larger than you, seems to be a reasonable limit.