Lets say that I want to host my notes for a game of Kingmaker for easier access for my players-- that is my edits to Paizo's approved campaign setting lore for my game's background.
I also have my own historical figures, I changed some history of the world and I redid some of the map.
While I realize that the community can use some of what paizo really creates if they comply with the community use policy- what I was more concerned of was that even with a disclaimer that this is "my" concept of how kingmaker works, whether what I write could be hosted on a public server.
Example:
One entry of this blog, or whatever would say:
Lord A. Surtova - cousin to Queen Natala and her secret lover, etc.
and I might link to an article somewhere on the net or a thread that explains the real details of the Queen, but most of what I have would be my own interpretation of the setting.
-And of course I would have a disclaimer on the site.
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Would it be all right to create "new" lore in this case?
I would much rather run my project in a private fashion, but would rather not set up a server for access to my computer, which seems to be the only way to really make this private and still accessible to players. Thus, I am asking if it is possible to publicly run a blog, or whatever that "edits" some approved Paizo history.
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Re: " You may descriptively reference trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), locations and characters from products listed in Section 1 of our Community Use Approved Product List at paizo.com/communityuse/products, provided it is clear that these are our marks." I'm not exactly sure how to make it clear that these are paizo's trademarks, but I can certainly try to discriminate.
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Thank you.
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Although this doesn't remotely answer your question as asked, there's a website out there somewhere (I think they were a second-place award winner at Gencon this last year for Websites, second to Kobold Quarterly or some such), which will allow you to setup exactly the sort of thing you're talking about, and you can make your campaign private. There are GM ID's and Player ID's, and the GM can edit while the players can view-only. Someone will know what I'm talking about, I'm hoping. If I can find the site, I'll edit this post.
I have no idea if the use of the site in question for what you're proposing in a private manner would violate the Terms of Use.
Edit: Of Course, I was thinking of the Gold Award ENnie winner, Obsidian Portal:
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I'm relativly sure that what your talking about falls into the community use policy, the same way the wiki and campaign journals do as it is basicly the two combined
Thank you. Obsidian Portal's ability to make things private might be useful-I don't particularly like its presentation though, but it might work out. I'm not so sure that google groups will work- but thank you very much for the idea.
Regarding the community use policy, I'm not so sure my idea is okay-- what I'll try to do is to link to the PF wiki when referencing Paizo's characters and locations in the setting and to keep the references to official paizodom to a minimum, but I have altered their official map and moved/added some new countries.
I will also try to place the official disclaimers on all pages.
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My project sort of is a campaign journal ; But still, I would like not to cause problems.
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I suppose My possibilities are:
1. Can I host this publicly in the way that I describe on a blog or a wiki?
2. Can I host this on Obsidian portal (semi-publicly)? (Password protected)
3. Or should this just be something to be conducted on private servers and emails and google groups?
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I have 2 questions about APs that I was hoping to get clarified.
- NPC depictions in the AP, can they be posted with a short description for players on a blog etc, as long as its all canon?
- Maps that arent the world map in the community use package, like say of Korvosa.
IIRC, both of those are IP and not for community use, but I just wanted confirmation. Right now, I have printed copies in a book I provided my players, but I just wanted confirmation I am interpreting the CUP correctly.
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I have 2 questions about APs that I was hoping to get clarified.
- NPC depictions in the AP, can they be posted with a short description for players on a blog etc, as long as its all canon?
- Maps that arent the world map in the community use package, like say of Korvosa.
IIRC, both of those are IP and not for community use, but I just wanted confirmation. Right now, I have printed copies in a book I provided my players, but I just wanted confirmation I am interpreting the CUP correctly.
Correct. It's always best if you're creating a website for your group to create it as a private website and not a public page. As a private place for campaign journals and the like, things are a lot less restrictive.
It's best, I think, to keep campaign journal/tracking stuff as private websites. If you're worried that something might not be covered by the CUP and you have a public fan-site, you probably shouldn't be putting that content on your site.
Thank you for the advice James.
My worries surround less due to a direct breach of the policy than concerns regarding Paizo's interpretation of that policy. If the site is considered a campaign journal, which it could be, according to the CUP it appears to be okay. BUT I will be intermingling official paizo material with my world material. I will endeavor to make the differences obvious, however.
The best option of course is for me to find a good private way to host this though- which is an option I am still pursuing.
...It appears to cost money to make campaigns private on obsidian portal. "Ascendant" membership appears to be required... so much for that option currently.
Currently it's looking like public is the most viable option for free hosting regrettably ; if I hack up something public for Vic or someone appropriate to look at, would it be possible to gain tentative permission to post what I have (obviously recognizing your ability to revoke if necessary).
Basically, one example would be:
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Brevoy- (links to yoda's site with info on brevoy)
Changes to the official information are as follows: A Surtova killed B Surtova (link this character to yoda's site) in year x, Z thing happened in year b)
CUP disclaimer and list of Paizo names (Brevoy, Surtova).
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Heck, I have a Forum that used to be for a very old Guild Wars clan that went defunct. If you want to contact me, I could easily set up a Private Forum for you to use. Different threads for different subjects, etc. Dunno, just trying to give some ideas. (shrug).
That offer's open to anyone, by the way... If you're interested in a private forum for your table, please email me at jeremymillzz at gmail dawt cawm. The URL is nothing catchy, sort of a 'bookmark it and forget it' thing, but nonetheless, the offer's open...
I assume that this option is available at any number of gaming websites, but w/e :D
My understanding of the CUP is that you don't need to distinguish the source and IP status of each individual element. You just need to include the text of the CUP on the bottom of each page (so that it says you use trademarks and other copyrights of Paizo under the terms of the license) and you might want to make something on the main page saying that it's a fan-site/campaign journal that deviates heavily from canon. I don't think you'll run into a lot of people getting confused about what's official and what's yours if you have a self-selecting audience anyway (people in your campaign), for whom it doesn't really matter if a specific name is yours or Paizo's. As long as you're not claiming that all of it is yours, you should be good under the CUP.
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My understanding of the CUP is that you don't need to distinguish the source and IP status of each individual element. You just need to include the text of the CUP on the bottom of each page...
I don't think it is required that you include that statement on every single page. I think having it once on your site in a clearly and easily discovered location is all that is required. I come to that conclusion based on this statement:
"To use Paizo Material under this Policy you must include the following notice in plainly legible and accessible form in each product or on each website that uses any Paizo Material..."
If it said "web page" then I would imagine it needing to be on every single page.
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We don't have a problem with you mixing your original content with our content. After all, if we did, you couldn't possible write fan fiction!
However, since you mentioned modifying maps, that's a pretty good indicator that you should be looking for a private solution, as we explicitly disallow those types of modifications (and also, very few maps are actually available for republication under the CUP.
Dear Vic,
Thank you very much!
I will keep the map situation to a private solution.
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d20pfsrd and yoda- also thank you for your input.
Jeremizah- I appreciate the offer. I think that a private forum doesn't exactly serve my particular purposes, but I will certainly keep your offer in mind. Considering Vic's comments it appears that I can do this publicly with less hassle than I had initially presumed. I will keep looking for a private blog or wiki solution, but it is good to know that I can probably post most of this publicly if necessary.
Much appreciation to everyone who responded!
Dear Vic,
Thank you very much!
I will keep the map situation to a private solution.
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d20pfsrd and yoda- also thank you for your input.Jeremizah- I appreciate the offer. I think that a private forum doesn't exactly serve my particular purposes, but I will certainly keep your offer in mind. Considering Vic's comments it appears that I can do this publicly with less hassle than I had initially presumed. I will keep looking for a private blog or wiki solution, but it is good to know that I can probably post most of this publicly if necessary.
Much appreciation to everyone who responded!
Just make a Yahoo Group where the posts are public but the files and images are private and only members of the group can view them.