What conspiracy theory have you come up with recently, whether you actually believe it or not?
My current one, eco-terrorists are attacking the U.S.'s energy resources. Doing two attacks on the mining industry and one attack on the off-shore drilling.
Bitter Thorn is following me. Everywhere.
The Belgian mayonnaise cartels are secretly controlling the world through fast foods chains and restaurants.
Bitter Thorn is following me. Everywhere.
Don't be silly. I'm the one doing that. ;)
It's like I've come home......
The Velcro-men from Saturn have secretly taken over toy factories all over the planet. They plan on introducing nano-tech to the toys that will, in the future, merge with the world's children and give them a ready-made army of drones.
Meanwhile, the Men-in-Black (yes, they exist) have been busy covering up the real cause behind the recent burst of violent behavior from the world's platypus population - genetic engineering by sentient barracudas from the Indian Ocean.
Meanwhile, the Men-in-Black (yes, they exist) have been busy covering up the real cause behind the recent burst of violent behavior from the world's platypus population - genetic engineering by sentient barracudas from the Indian Ocean.
Lies, all lies! We're from the South Pacific!
Oh my GOD!!!! They're coming for us!! Everybody run for your lives!!! We're not even safe on land!! They have special suits to wear!!!!
Run!! RUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!
The Belgian mayonnaise cartels are secretly controlling the world through fast foods chains and restaurants.Disqualified. It can't be a conspiracy theory if it's true.
I knew it! I knew that mayonnaise was watching me!!!
Bitter Thorn is following me. Everywhere.Don't be silly. I'm the one doing that. ;)
You're one of HIS doppelgangers! I bet you have a tattoo do, don'tcha?
You're one of HIS doppelgangers! I bet you have a tattoo do, don'tcha?Bitter Thorn is following me. Everywhere.Don't be silly. I'm the one doing that. ;)
You could always wear one of these...
puts on tinfoil hat
I also have a suit of the stuff for special invasions.
Pink is the new Gray. They're everywhere. Like Boobies.
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and one attack on the off-shore drilling.
Funny, that was the first thought that popped into my mind. Obama ok's that program to look into off shore drilling and BAM! a major rig in the gulf goes up. What a coincidence.
If I were delusional and paranoid I'd start a blog just for this one.
Good thing I'M normal...............
and one attack on the off-shore drilling.Funny, that was the first thought that popped into my mind. Obama ok's that program to look into off shore drilling and BAM! a major rig in the gulf goes up. What a coincidence.
If I were delusional and paranoid I'd start a blog just for this one.
Good thing I'M normal...............
And the device that was suppose to close the pipe is some how not functional. Makes me think of the Beastie Boys.
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This thread makes me wonder...
Most conspiracy theories seem to be predicated on the idea that a person/entity/etc. creates a self-inflicted wound which either (a) justifies a counter-attack or (b) rallies public opinion to their side.
I always find that odd, not least because I rarely see it happen in real life, but more glaringly, there's no way to know how people will react to a given event. What if the San Diego Zoo's well timed plan to have terrorists kill pandas to get extra money to upgrade their facilities happens on the same day that Lindsay Lohan snorts her weight in drain cleaner and dies? Or if people decide that instead of upgrading the facility, it should just be shut down so no more pandas die.
Conspiracy theories require a level of pre-cognition that seems well beyond what I've encountered in humans.
My conspiracy theory is that there's someone who has posted on this thread is truely the dark lord of hell. Missing but one consonant from his surname; it was omitted as to delude us into thinking that he was a mere mortal and could get away with it by patronizing with the rest of us on Paizonia. Is it only coincidence that he happens to share the same occupational field as this dapper fellow?
You heard it here. First.
I see through his cunning ruse.
Whut?
You're one of HIS doppelgangers! I bet you have a tattoo do, don'tcha?Bitter Thorn is following me. Everywhere.Don't be silly. I'm the one doing that. ;)
I'm a doppelganger? No tattoos. I plan on leaving this world the same way I came into it: Naked, no strange markings on my body, and whimpering.
I'm a doppelganger? No tattoos. I plan on leaving this world the same way I came into it: Naked, no strange markings on my body, and whimpering.
Bitter Thorn got to you too man .... didn't he...yeah....
...Conspiracy theories require a level of pre-cognition that seems well beyond what I've encountered in humans.
I offer the above as evidence of my theory that Sebastian is a member of an extraterestial cabal promoting various conspiracy theories.
( disclaimer: Further selective editing of his writings may be necessary to discover exactly what the cabal plans to achieve by this vast marketing campaign).
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...Conspiracy theories require a level of pre-cognition that seems well beyond what I've encountered in humans.I offer the above as evidence of my theory that Sebastian is a member of an extraterestial cabal promoting various conspiracy theories.
( disclaimer: Further selective editing of his writings may be necessary to discover exactly what the cabal plans to achieve by this vast marketing campaign).
But is it a theory if it really is??
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one attack on the off-shore drilling.I found this one odd, especially that it happened only days after Obama announced plans to expand Off Shore drilling in the Gulf.
Well, as one who despises the Rosie Odonnel school of "what happenned on 9/11", I am hesitant to even think of the possible connection.
But yea, one hell of a coincidence.
...Conspiracy theories require a level of pre-cognition that seems well beyond what I've encountered in humans.I offer the above as evidence of my theory that Sebastian is a member of an extraterestial cabal promoting various conspiracy theories.
( disclaimer: Further selective editing of his writings may be necessary to discover exactly what the cabal plans to achieve by this vast marketing campaign).
Extraterrestrial? No, sir. I posit something far, far more sinister!
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and one attack on the off-shore drilling.Funny, that was the first thought that popped into my mind. Obama ok's that program to look into off shore drilling and BAM! a major rig in the gulf goes up. What a coincidence.
If I were delusional and paranoid I'd start a blog just for this one.
Good thing I'M normal...............
What Tom said.
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And the device that was suppose to close the pipe is some how not functional. Makes me think of the Beastie Boys.
Well, given all that I would guess went wrong in this particular instance, it makes sense that that malfunctioned as well.
It IS possible to install an inline valve in a leaking pipe. I saw it done with a water main that needed to be shut off and the shut off valves were no where to be found. That took half a day in good conditions. I can't even begin to imagine what it will take to plug that oil line that far under water with that volume of oil spewing forth.
If that were an intentional attack by the current administration and their allies/cats paws in the enviro-nut job movement, they purposly and maliciously screwed the local ecosystem more than big oil could at their worst.
Would that scenario fufill Sebastians postulate:
Most conspiracy theories seem to be predicated on the idea that a person/entity/etc. creates a self-inflicted wound which either (a) justifies a counter-attack or (b) rallies public opinion to their side.
And if so, what was the original intent?
Extraterrestrial? No, sir. I posit something far, far more sinister!
heh heh heh, he said "POSIT" heh heh
There are no conspiracies. Everything is as it should be.
And the device that was suppose to close the pipe is some how not functional. Makes me think of the Beastie Boys.Well, given all that I would guess went wrong in this particular instance, it makes sense that that malfunctioned as well.
It IS possible to install an inline valve in a leaking pipe. I saw it done with a water main that needed to be shut off and the shut off valves were no where to be found. That took half a day in good conditions. I can't even begin to imagine what it will take to plug that oil line that far under water with that volume of oil spewing forth.
If that were an intentional attack by the current administration and their allies/cats paws in the enviro-nut job movement, they purposly and maliciously screwed the local ecosystem more than big oil could at their worst.
Would that scenario fufill Sebastians postulate:
Most conspiracy theories seem to be predicated on the idea that a person/entity/etc. creates a self-inflicted wound which either (a) justifies a counter-attack or (b) rallies public opinion to their side.And if so, what was the original intent?
Oh, I never said that the current administration was involved. My conspiracy theory is based on a radical eco-terrorist group. The environmental damage occurring now is just what they want to send as a message. You can't make a tofu omelet without harvesting some soybean after all.
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Oh, I never said that the current administration was involved.
Well, ok, true enough.
My conspiracy theory is based on a radical eco-terrorist group. The environmental damage occurring now is just what they want to send as a message. You can't make a tofu omelet without harvesting some soybean after all.
But that strikes me as a straight up terrorist attack rather than a "conspiracy".
Not unlike, for example, 9/11. ( The bad guys plot and plan and attack to achieve a political, religious or social change)
A conspiracy, to me, would go a step further. It would need to include something along the lines of "the current administration" had a hand in planning, or purposly instigating or at least passing intellegence to the actual plotters.
For example, if President Bush had a directive from the Bilderberg group from his last meeting in Saudi Arabia to have VP Cheney form a secret ops unit under direction of Rumsfeld to wire the world Trade Center with explosives and fire Cruise missles into the pentagon etc....
EDIT ...and then bin ladens folks fly some planes around and take credit. The true goal is not to achieve the world wide supremacy of islam but create an unstable financial market where the true players may suck the bulk of the real money out of the economy and leave the huddled masses with fiat money, wothless when the crash comes under the next administration that is put in place to achieve that phase.
That would be a conspiracy.
Thoughts?
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Oh, I never said that the current administration was involved. My conspiracy theory is based on a radical eco-terrorist group. The environmental damage occurring now is just what they want to send as a message. You can't make a tofu omelet without harvesting some soybean after all.
See, I'm not so sure an enviromental group, by itself, would have the resources to pull something like that off. However, if they were to receive some government assistance, as in a foreign government, then maybe it'd be doable. I can certainly see it in the best interest of Cuba or Venezuala to have this happen to the U.S.
And it wouldn't be without some precedence. If I remember correctly, some ex-KGB dude from waaay back admitted that they use to pay off some of the 60's radicals to stir up trouble here.
Of course, sadly, my money's on accident.
There is no conspiracy, only incompetence.
There is no conspiracy, only incompetence.
You look familiar. Have you been lurking around, spying on us, in disguise or something?
There is no conspiracy, only incompetence.You look familiar. Have you been lurking around, spying on us, in disguise or something?
This is the droid you have been looking for, Conspiracy Buff.
Go forth, mark him, unleash the ghoul hounds upon him, verily I say.
Then report back. for they listen in darkness
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See, I'm not so sure an enviromental group, by itself, would have the resources to pull something like that off. However, if they were to receive some government assistance, as in a foreign government, then maybe it'd be doable. I can certainly see it in the best interest of Cuba or Venezuala to have this happen to the U.S.
And it wouldn't be without some precedence. If I remember correctly, some ex-KGB dude from waaay back admitted that they use to pay off some of the 60's radicals to stir up trouble here.
Of course, sadly, my money's on accident.
If your thinking a group of idealistic college kids, in my opinion, not possible.
If however, you had some hard core folks who had real construction experience and some under water marine biology types with access to the right materials I'd imagine this could be done with a LOT of luck.
I don't think the Venezuelens or Cubans ( or whoever ) would waste their time with cats paws in this case as it would be a lot easier to just send in thier own opperatives.
Accident does sound like the most likely suspect in this case.
My conspiracy theory is based on a radical eco-terrorist group. The environmental damage occurring now is just what they want to send as a message. You can't make a tofu omelet without harvesting some soybean after all.But that strikes me as a straight up terrorist attack rather than a "conspiracy".
Not unlike, for example, 9/11. ( The bad guys plot and plan and attack to achieve a political, religious or social change)
A conspiracy, to me, would go a step further. It would need to include something along the lines of "the current administration" had a hand in planning, or purposly instigating or at least passing intellegence to the actual plotters.
For example, if President Bush had a directive from the Bilderberg group from his last meeting in Saudi Arabia to have VP Cheney form a secret ops unit under direction of Rumsfeld to wire the world Trade Center with explosives and fire Cruise missles into the pentagon etc....
EDIT ...and then bin ladens folks fly some planes around and take credit. The true goal is not to achieve the world wide supremacy of islam but create an unstable financial market where the true players may suck the bulk of the real money out of the economy and leave the huddled masses with fiat money, wothless when the crash comes under the next administration that is put in place to achieve that phase.
That would be a conspiracy.
Thoughts?
Ah, I see what you are saying. I don't feel it is necessary to have current administration involvement for something to be a conspiracy. Wealth private individuals and corporations could play those parts as well. And of course as Aberzombie suggests foreign governments could also be involved. That doesn't mean that the truth isn't being hidden from us by the current government. I mean you haven't heard anyone say it is an eco-terrorist attack right? In fact no one has even suggested it might be a possibility even though they say they have no idea how it happened, so how do they know it wasn't.
Also yesterday I saw Chris Matthews doing a story on this issue. A coast guard guy was talking about their efforts to contain the problem and how they were frustrated that the device meant to stop this wasn't being able to be made to work with remote control probes.
Shortly afterwards, an environmentalist was talking to Matthews and was saying things like the disaster shows that the oil companies don't put any safety mechanisms to stop bad things from happening and Matthews was agreeing. ...*blink*... Didn't the previous guest just say there was a mechanism, but that it was malfunctioning. Just because your air-bag doesn't deploy in an accident doesn't mean that the car company wasn't installing safety devices in your car. But in the age of (mis)information, if you say something with enough conviction you can make people believe anything.
So is Matthews in on the attack? Probably not, he is too dumb for something this big. In on the cover-up? Probably, he is too dumb to realize the truth.
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Ah, I see what you are saying. I don't feel it is necessary to have current administration involvement for something to be a conspiracy. Wealth private individuals and corporations could play those parts as well. And of course as Aberzombie suggests foreign governments could also be involved.
Your right, it does not have to be "the administration" (meaning any US government involvement, past or present). I was using that as a "for example". Not an indictment. It could be, as you say, any power group.
The reason I took that angle, however, is because the Obama administration had recently announced a program of some sort to look into off shore drilling. This given the opposition to such activities by many of his supporters. So to have an "accident" of this magnitude and timing happen was just to much coincidence to not speculate on.
I would still maintain that a "conspiracy" would need more levels to it to qualify. A single group acting on it's own falls more into a "terrorist" plot. Or perhaps simply criminal.
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Ah, I see what you are saying. I don't feel it is necessary to have current administration involvement for something to be a conspiracy. Wealth private individuals and corporations could play those parts as well. And of course as Aberzombie suggests foreign governments could also be involved.Your right, it does not have to be "the administration" (meaning any US government involvement, past or present). I was using that as a "for example". Not an indictment. It could be, as you say, any power group.
The reason I took that angle, however, is because the Obama administration had recently announced a program of some sort to look into off shore drilling. This given the opposition to such activities by many of his supporters. So to have an "accident" of this magnitude and timing happen was just to much coincidence to not speculate on.
I would still maintain that a "conspiracy" would need more levels to it to qualify. A single group acting on it's own falls more into a "terrorist" plot. Or perhaps simply criminal.
The offshore rig is from BP, meaning that the Administration would have to had a conversation with them or being using them for their own needs. We also have to wonder, if such a thing did in fact happen, then why? Is it to still have some sort of negotiation ability in the middle east? Is it to follow some plan to change us all to a one world government????
The government is at least one tech level ahead of the consumers in it's country.
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In fact no one has even suggested it might be a possibility even though they say they have no idea how it happened, so how do they know it wasn't.
You're right in that they currently have no idea what happened. However, I think I've read somewhere that the administration is currently considering all options as possible in their investigation, including sabotage or attack.
First, though, they have to get that damn leak under control.
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The offshore rig is from BP, meaning that the Administration would have to had a conversation with them or being using them for their own needs. We also have to wonder, if such a thing did in fact happen, then why? Is it to still have some sort of negotiation ability in the middle east? Is it to follow some plan to change us all to a one world government????
To be clear, I believe this was an accident. But the coincidences are to juicy to pass up (especially after all the stuff said by the Rosie crowd regarding the WTC).
So on to the speculation:
In my conspiracy theory, the Obama administration is manufacturing a crisis to push their political agenda.
#1 The amnesty for illegals is heating up a bit to much for them. They need to stear the nightly news off of that topic and distract the right wing.
#2 They want a nice background for the Cap-n-Tax/climate legislation. So they announce they are looking into offsghore drilling (with no promises either way, but a limited scope of study). This puts the right wing on the defensive - Hey, that's our issue!
Many left wingers in congress would rather hit Cap-n-Tax before the November elections rather than amnesty. The administration knows without the votes amnesty will supply in November and 2012, none of it matters.
#3 Gas prices have quitely slid back to 3.00/gallon. Folks are not complaining as the hit is not as bad as when it went over 4.00. But don't forget Obama said he would like to see 5.00 + a gallon. (of course he envisioned a slow increase of federal gas taxes/vat createing that artificial price point, not capitalist speculators. He's pissed that the speculators are effectivly cutting off that tax stream).
#4 Since he wants it to look quite in the Middle East (so his "draw down" in Iraq looks effective) he can't stir things up to much over there, he can use a storm to create the smoke and mirrors when his secret ops take out a drill platform in the Gulf of Mexico.
By allowing the oil to destroy the ecosystem in the Gulf, the public will rise up and scream for more environmental controls. If they don't, so what, just claim it's public outcry.
The congress will quickly pass a bill on climate control and quitely pass an amnesty bill in a midnight vote.
#5 The South American states with oil interests are gonna get real nervous, the speculators will drive up prices and several small hot skirmishes will break out.
President Obama will announce the countrys oil refineries and storage/transport concerns are now under the "protection" of the federal government until this "threat" passes. Several more "miltias" will be arrrested and "detained".
#6 Although politically nuetered until 2012, when the illegals are allowed to vote in 2012, El Presidente for life Obama will declare martial law, devalue our currency and surrender control of our economy to the Chinese (who now control South/Central America anyway through treaties with Venezuela, Cuba, a new communist regime in Mexico and ownership of the Panama canal).
So, how's that for a theory? (At least entertaining, I hope)
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First, though, they have to get that damn leak under control.
Absolutely right on that point.
I don't know how flexible the pipe was that brought the oil from the ocean floor to the drill rig, but I imagine the cabling that allowed monitoring of conditions there and control af valves on it's length would have been damaged/destroyed as well.
I am suprised that there is no submersable unit (either manned or robotic) for inspection and maintenance down there. But given the volume of oil spewing out, that would be a difficult if not impossible solution.
I could envision drilling threaded rods into the bedrock and then lowering a concrete cap with open valves on top (to relieve the pressure). Once bolted down, the valves could be closed to seal off the oil flow (and possibly tapped into later to allow the pumping of more crude from that well). Whether the technology exists to pull that off.........