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Has any one seen any of these guys'/guy's stuff? The Book of Thaumaturgy looks interesting but it has a hefty price tag of $19.99 -- and its a pdf!

The other product I have seen by then is the Book of Darkness. They are both over at Drive Thru RPG.


I saw that too ... and the price tag for their PDF received a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot from me. Where in the world do some of these publishers come up with their pricing?

Scarab Sages

That's 40 pages for $20.
#shakes head

This is a prime example of bad pdf pricing. Pdf's are supposed to be cheaper than the print version of a book. (Doesn't matter that this product is pdf only. I don't know if it has a print version or not.)


fray wrote:

That's 40 pages for $20.

#shakes head

This is a prime example of bad pdf pricing. Pdf's are supposed to be cheaper than the print version of a book. (Doesn't matter that this product is pdf only. I don't know if it has a print version or not.)

I don't even want to dwell on what they believe a print version would cost. At that price, I'll never bother finding out.

The Concordance RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Too bad the person/people at Magechantry can't see this thread...


Once in awhile if I'm feeling ambitious, I go to the author's home page and send them a comment.


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I was curious and wandered past their site to see if there was any additional information posted about their products on their forums. They seem to require registration even to browse, which is another turn-off for me. Huge price, no reviews, no other information I can find - all bad signs as far as I'm concerned.


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I looked at their offerings on DriveThruRPG last night and had much the same reaction. Even taking the 'bundle' option, which gives you both for $30.00, and knocks the individual prices down to essentially $15.00/each, it was still a bit pricey for me right now.

I also found it odd - really odd, in fact - that they'd chosen to not advertise here, even after the products were released. One would think that the boards of the company that makes the product they were writing for might be a good place to do that, yes?

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Kharis2000 wrote:

I looked at their offerings on DriveThruRPG last night and had much the same reaction. Even taking the 'bundle' option, which gives you both for $30.00, and knocks the individual prices down to essentially $15.00/each, it was still a bit pricey for me right now.

I also found it odd - really odd, in fact - that they'd chosen to not advertise here, even after the products were released. One would think that the boards of the company that makes the product they were writing for might be a good place to do that, yes?

Considering Paizo offers full print adventures (including the free PDF with subscription-which can be cancelled at any time)that, with shipping, cost about $20, they REALLY need to do some better market research.

Registering just to browse their products, vastly inflated prices in comparison to current market standards, no advertising and no communication with their potential purchasers is a s#~+e business model.

The company is not long for the living, in my opinion. They won't sell much.

Kharis is right. I have no idea why they have not advertised on Paizo's site for their Pathfinder product.

It's not been long since they released their products. maybe they will change their business model. Or at least advertise.

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Well Hello Everyone, a friend of mine pointed out this thread...

I'm actually the author and noted about the price, really didnt have a lot of guidance on it....but I think 10 dollars is fair? is that something that everyone could live with?

If you already bought the second book "Thaumaturgy" shoot me a message on drivethrurpg and I can send you a coupon for a few dollars off the other.
There are print copies of each available as well, they come in the neat sizing format of the old spell compendiums from second edition, full color with extra graphics :) These are my first tries of getting it all together, I hope you guys like them!

P.S. The MageChantry website is mainly just for my gaming group, but I am working on revamping it.


To get your foot in the door in convincing some of us skeptics otherwise, it probably wouldn't hurt to offer up a few promotional items to select individuals of your choosing as long as they get back to you a review and post them in the appropriate places (i.e. DriveThru RPG) and/or offer you some suggestions on how to make it more attractive.

I really can't make any suggestions on what is actually a fair price, but $10 is definitely better than $20 ... for starters.

Good luck, sir.

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Nanyea the Wayward wrote:

Well Hello Everyone, a friend of mine pointed out this thread...

I'm actually the author and noted about the price, really didnt have a lot of guidance on it....but I think 10 dollars is fair? is that something that everyone could live with?

If you already bought the second book "Thaumaturgy" shoot me a message on drivethrurpg and I can send you a coupon for a few dollars off the other.
There are print copies of each available as well, they come in the neat sizing format of the old spell compendiums from second edition, full color with extra graphics :) These are my first tries of getting it all together, I hope you guys like them!

P.S. The MageChantry website is mainly just for my gaming group, but I am working on revamping it.

Excellent, Nanyea! Hope to see some more detailed info in the contents of your works. As far as pricing, just look at similar products and figure out where yours stands as far as page count, content, etc. Obviously you don't want to offer it too high, but on the same vein you don't want to give it away. $10 seems more in line with similar resource products out there.

Promoting with sneak peeks and tidbits of the contents are a great way to generate interest in the products. Make people want to buy it..

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How about the first 2 people to PM me can get free coupons...

I've given out 19 review copies already and not a single person has reviewed it. It has me a bit miffed about the review process at DrivethruRPG. In fact the only feedback I got was someone refused to review it because it was double columned, which I didn't quite understand because a friend of mine got blasted for having it in single column format (by the same reviewer).

The Shadow book has over 100 spells and quite a few new feats as well as a base class and prestige class, while its the reverse in the thaumaturgy book... I put my best magic modifying feats in that one (I wanna say over 40) and a good amount of new spells, a new base class as well as the Omin Nasir prestige class. The Omin Nasir has a lot of history and lore behind it, and many people will see it as a cross between a certain elven keeper of secrets and the arch mage, basically a stepping stone to becoming a high mage.

I ended up cutting out the section on ritual magic because of printer issues, they are still working that out at drive thru...but it really does look great printed out and glossy (you can order print copies this month starting on the 5th). I think I may add the ritual magic as a free download for everyone (its about 11 pages double columned!) and put it at the end of the thaumaturgy print book as a bonus.

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=80757?affiliate_ id=293035

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=80434?affiliate_ id=293035


Nanyea the Wayward wrote:

How about the first 2 people to PM me can get free coupons...

I've given out 19 review copies already and not a single person has reviewed it. It has me a bit miffed about the review process at DrivethruRPG. In fact the only feedback I got was someone refused to review it because it was double columned, which I didn't quite understand because a friend of mine got blasted for having it in single column format (by the same reviewer).

I went ahead and sent you a PM via e-mail.

Thanks! =)

EDIT: e-mail bounced back as rejected. *shrugs* But I think I located you on FB and sent you a PM there. :D

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fray wrote:

That's 40 pages for $20.

#shakes head

This is a prime example of bad pdf pricing. Pdf's are supposed to be cheaper than the print version of a book. (Doesn't matter that this product is pdf only. I don't know if it has a print version or not.)

Plus the cost in ink printing them out is astronomical ;)

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Marcus Aurelius wrote:
fray wrote:

That's 40 pages for $20.

#shakes head

This is a prime example of bad pdf pricing. Pdf's are supposed to be cheaper than the print version of a book. (Doesn't matter that this product is pdf only. I don't know if it has a print version or not.)

Plus the cost in ink printing them out is astronomical ;)

Its not much cheaper the cut they take for print copies at RPG ;) but I usually print stuff at work if I am going to be using it at a gaming session!

Urizen getting first opportunity to review! (btw updating my email here...it shouldn't be bouncing)


Nanyea the Wayward wrote:

Its not much cheaper the cut they take for print copies at RPG ;) but I usually print stuff at work if I am going to be using it at a gaming session!

Urizen getting first opportunity to review! (btw updating my email here...it shouldn't be bouncing)

We can't do anything from your e-mail here unless you publicly disclose it. A better suggestion would be to do something similar to what I did in my profile where I imbed a link to my FB profile if anyone wants to get me there. Either that or update your e-mail address @ your website. ;)

I'm looking forward to unveiling your grimoires!

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Sadly i agree most people that review, tend to do a poor job of it. They tend to either review it from their point of view instead of letting it stand on it's own merits. Or the review doesn't really tell you anything beyond their opinion.

I found the products interesting but was waiting to see what reviews said, as for the size they seemed pricey.

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Apparently a few people found me on linkedin as well as facebook and UGO...so we have 3 more review copies out of people who will hopefully post on RPG and here. Also you will notice the price for each is now $9.99 and if you buy both together, you save an additional $2.

The ritual magic product will be up later this week and the martial powers stuff later this month. Looking forward to the reviews and feedback so I can improve the products for everyone, especially excited about the new batch of artwork!

edit: I swear the website is being updated as soon as I find time, or can cajole my wife into doing it!


Nanyea the Wayward wrote:


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Apparently a few people found me on linkedin as well as facebook and UGO...so we have 3 more review copies out of people who will hopefully post on RPG and here. Also you will notice the price for each is now $9.99 and if you buy both together, you save an additional $2.

The ritual magic product will be up later this week and the martial powers stuff later this month. Looking forward to the reviews and feedback so I can improve the products for everyone, especially excited about the new batch of artwork!

edit: I swear the website is being updated as soon as I find time, or can cajole my wife into doing it!

Linked them for you. :D


Nanyea the Wayward wrote:

Well Hello Everyone, a friend of mine pointed out this thread...

I'm actually the author and noted about the price, really didnt have a lot of guidance on it....but I think 10 dollars is fair? is that something that everyone could live with?

If you already bought the second book "Thaumaturgy" shoot me a message on drivethrurpg and I can send you a coupon for a few dollars off the other.
There are print copies of each available as well, they come in the neat sizing format of the old spell compendiums from second edition, full color with extra graphics :) These are my first tries of getting it all together, I hope you guys like them!

P.S. The MageChantry website is mainly just for my gaming group, but I am working on revamping it.

$10 for a 40 page PDF...still expensive when a 48 page print book is ~ 10-12.

Look at the cost of a normal print gamebook by PF in your page count. Then do 1/2 price for a PDF...

My suggestion.


Nanyea the Wayward wrote:
Apparently a few people found me on linkedin as well as facebook and UGO...so we have 3 more review copies out of people who will hopefully post on RPG and here.

I sent you a message via Facebook about a getting a review copy of the pdf.

Spoiler:

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Well I am a sucker for spells especially shadow magic, so i went ahead and picked up the 2 magechantry books in the bundle. They come out to 9 bucks a piece that way. Anyways I will post here later after I have a chance to give them a once over and then later I will likely do a review of them and post them up at drivethru.


I'm still going through the ones that Nanyea provided to me, so I haven't forgotten about it. :) It's just taking me a bit longer to fully digest so I can make an honest opinion.

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My review of Book of Thaumaturgy by Magechantry

This product is 39 pages long. First two pages are cover and dedication.

Chapter 1 – Witch Class (10 ½ pages)
The witch class d6, 4 skills, simple weapons, no armor, low BAB, spells like a wizard. Basically very similar to a wizard except in class abilities and own spell list.
Totem Guide – 1st level, This ability grants one extra spell per spell level that can be cast and not preparied ahead of time. Basically they can cast one spell of each spell level they know from any spell in their spell book. At 4th level and ever 4 levels after, the witch can pick either Str, Dex, Con, Natural armor or caster level bonus(eventually you get them all), when selected it gets a enhancement bonus equal to their Charisma mod. So if the witch has a Chr of 18, then eventually she will have a +4 to all of those abilities. Honestly this seems a bit strong to me and it is not clear if temp chr boosts or from magic items count or not.

Arcane – At 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th level the witch gets one of the arcane abilities. Most seem ok, some are interesting. One group, Empower, Extend, Enlarge spell, like the meta magic feats. With these powers a witch can as a free action add that to a spell they are casting, by making a power check(witch level + Int mod + D20) DC is 18 or 15 depending on the power + 2 times spell level. So a second level spell would have a DC of 22 or 19 depending which one is used. Failure results in taking 1d4 per spell level in dmg and the spell not going off but not lost. I think the spell should also be lost personally.

Arcane Major – At 10th, 12th, 14th, 16th level the witch gains one of these abilities. Drain Item, drain one charge from a item and heal 1d6. Quicken and Maximize spells like the feats DC's 20 and 22 + 2x level respectively.

Some of the stuff I honestly wasn't sure what the author meant. A example Dispelling Blast, added to any evocation spell as a free action, Power check DC 20. But what does it do? Add in a dispel magic spell? That seems to be the case if I had to guess but it doesn't say for sure.

Arcane Grand - 18th and 20th level gains this ability. Timeless Body, Eye bite spell at will, Power Summoning can cast any summoning spell known in spell book at will with a power check of DC 22 + 2x level.

Spell list, has some cleric/druid spells and most wizard spells but gives up most of the wizard evocation spells. It looks ok but I did notice the cure light wounds was missing even though it had inflict light wounds and other spell levels had both. I am guessing that is a error and the spell was left off on accident.

All and all the class feels a bit powerful to me, but it is just gut reaction. With the DC's it might not be as bad as my gut reaction feels and I wouldn't know with out play testing.

Chapter 2 – New Feats (8 pages)
There is 19 new feats, some are pretty normal. Some add 1 extra dmg per caster level to all dmg spells(either as fire, cold, acid, sonic or lightening dmg, feat for each and they don't stack), some feats are super natural abilities and once more my gut reaction is some of them are overpowered for a feat.

Chapter 3 – Implements (1 page)
Atheme, Wand and pentacle. I will be honest I had trouble understanding what the author was saying at point. Like with wands as a example, they can add more charges than normal at cost +10%, and meta magic added only cost 50%. So is there a limit or can a witch make a wand with 1000 charges? It just wasn't real clear.

Chapter 4 – Omin Nasir (5 pages)
This is a PrC, I won't get into the details about this one. It is a 10 level PrC but I feel the abilities are to powerful for this PrC. There was some interesting idea's.

Chapter 5 – New Spells (11 pages)
There is 19 new spells. Some are interesting others were ok. But I am not sure I agree with the levels on several of them.

Last 2 pages are the OGL.

Closing thoughts. I dislike saying bad things about other peoples hard work, I feel especially bad cause I know I don't have that kind of talent myself. But with that said.

Well the book needs another round of edit, there is parts that I am sure to the author makes perfect sense but I found confusing by how it was worded. I already touched on how I felt some things was border line if not OPed. There is also no art in the book hardly. I did like the Black Company quote on ever other page, being a fan of the Black Company books. So in short I consider this a book to mine idea's from cause it needs a bit of work in my opinion. The killer for the book is the price, It is just not worth the price. At 39 pages for 10 bucks is high. I mean take some of the 4 Winds Fanstasy Gaming books, which have more art, better quality, 100+ pages for 9 to 11 bucks. Or Otherworld Creations Super Genius Guides which cost 2 to 3 bucks and range from 10-18 pages in size with better art and production values. I would have liked to contact the author to share my views but I dislike signing up for things like face book and know of no other way to contact him. In short I can't recommend this product at this price. To me this is more of a 3-5 buck product, 3 or 4 would be ok, I think 5 would be pushing it but with another edit pass possible worth it.


The author is in my FB friends list, so I'll pass along the info to him. Be curious what you think of the other title. I'm just envious that you can get around to reading in entirety quicker than I can. =)

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Urizen wrote:
The author is in my FB friends list, so I'll pass along the info to him. Be curious what you think of the other title. I'm just envious that you can get around to reading in entirety quicker than I can. =)

The other one so far seems a bit better but not enough better for the price to page count.

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Dark_Mistress wrote:


The other one so far seems a bit better but not enough better for the price to page count.

You can contact me here ;)

I picked up some of the genius books, but not any of the 4-wind ones yet, to compare them price wise. I figured that 9.99 was a good price for 32+ pages, because thats what Paizo charges.

The print editions got delayed, because I am making a large round of changes on some of the mechanics... in direct response to some of your questions...

the implements section is to add flavor, making magic items more like what a witch would use, but leaving it open enough to interpretation.

Art wise, the second book has a bit less on the inside because my artists were both overburdened, but book 3 will have quite a bit more and stack in much heavier page count wise.

I have a new editor who speaks english as her first language, so that should help! ;)

As far as overpowered, you will find that the DCs and abilities almost exactly match a certain class hidden away in one of the Eberron books...one that is mostly about priests. You also get a power every other level as Pathfinder set out so you have no dead levels. The PRC was designed with the same power level in mind, but be sure to check the minimum reqs to get in, you are already on your way to an epic campaign with that PRC.

What I liked best was that there were choices at each level, so not every witch or Omin Nasir was exactly the same as the next one... a lot like an Archmage. I intend to keep that idea in the future, and Paizo obviously liked it... look at all the melee classes :)

I do appreciate any and all feedback, and you can email me, message me wherever, etc... or post here (although I don't check here everyday).

I really do hope everyone who purchases it likes it, and I will be sending out an email to everyone who has purchased a copy when a new edition is available for free download with the errata.

EDIT*** BTW, my supplement about Ritual Magick and additional spells will be either no cost or something like 2.99, it is 16 pages and should be a good preview for people interested in my other books. I should have it up soon! BTW all of my books you can copy/paste and print for your campaigns, or hopefully soon be able to order a printed copy!

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Ok fair points. The non english as the editors first language might very well be the problem in some of the confusing text.

Fair point on the Eberron stuff which I don't own so I can't comment on it. As I mentioned it was my gut reaction. But then I prefer 3pp stuff to error on the side of being a little under powered than over. Since it is far easier for me to boost them a bit than reign them in.

Yes the chooses was nice and some of what you did as I mentioned was interesting, I just think it still needs work is all.

Now for the cost. While yes it is true that paizo's Companion line is 10 bucks. But lets be honest, they have full color, top notch production values and writing. Any 3pp has serious problems competing with the quality of work Paizo puts out. So they need to sell their products for less.

I pointed out the companies I did, because they are two of the bigger(number of products) and better 3pp companies. Rite Publishing is another as are others. But they all tend to hit around the same price range. You are just priced honestly way to high for your production value of your products. I would seriously recommend you look at other 3pp companies and base your prices off them, since thats who you will have to compete with in the market for a share of the fans money is other 3pp companies.

Anyways this is just my opinion and suggestions. I wish you best with your company either way.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Fair point on the Eberron stuff which I don't own so I can't comment on it.

I have found DM's attitude toward power levels very closely matches my own. IN fact, she has occasionally said things were underpowered that worked fine in my games. She's not perfect, but if she tells you something is overpowered, listen to her.

Dark_Mistress wrote:
Now for the cost. While yes it is true that paizo's Companion line is 10 bucks... I pointed out the companies I did, because they are two of the bigger(number of products) and better 3pp companies. Rite Publishing is another as are others. But they all tend to hit around the same price range.

Again, listen to the lady. I consider the top ranks of p3pp (Pathfinder Third party Publishing)to be Super Genius Games (SGG), 4 Winds, and Rite Publishing. And they put out a lot of good stuff. If you want to draw any customers from the massive amounts of great stuff these publishers produce, you'll need to give us a reason to take a risk on you. Glowing 5-star reviews might do it, but you arent getting those. Something amazingly new we've never seen before might do it, but honestly no one can produce new ideas often. Short of that, you need to be *cheaper* than those 3. Otherwise, there's no reason for us to risk our money on your pdfs.

To give credit where it's due, taking feedback well is good and you seem to be doing that. All 3 of those top p3pp take feedback, and make changes based on fan input. SGG often has long threads where they talk about their design goals and how they made specific decisions. Rite P. does previews for free that let customers see what they're getting, and leap to make changes if someone points out a problem. Being visible, responsive and friendly helps earn goodwill, which you'll need to be a success.

Just a customer's two cents.

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Well thanks DG, I always find it a bit surreal to find out people actually listen to anything I say. :)


Nanyea the Wayward wrote:

Well Hello Everyone, a friend of mine pointed out this thread...

I'm actually the author and noted about the price, really didnt have a lot of guidance on it....but I think 10 dollars is fair? is that something that everyone could live with?

If you already bought the second book "Thaumaturgy" shoot me a message on drivethrurpg and I can send you a coupon for a few dollars off the other.
There are print copies of each available as well, they come in the neat sizing format of the old spell compendiums from second edition, full color with extra graphics :) These are my first tries of getting it all together, I hope you guys like them!

P.S. The MageChantry website is mainly just for my gaming group, but I am working on revamping it.

I'm not going to beat around the bush, IMHO the best way too find the right price is to open a thread here on Paizo.com (if it's PFRPG product). Most of the time the give n price is fair. Even in a thread I ran people told me to charge more. I felt that the price being charged is fair, and so did they.

I almost bought this, buy couldn't justify the cost versus the content amount. It was more expensive then Paizo's stuff at the time. I may pick it up in the future though. Just food for thought. :D


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Well thanks DG, I always find it a bit surreal to find out people actually listen to anything I say. :)

Having you comment in threads and the review you write are a great boon to publishers as you seem to be very thorough. You're one of the people I read the reviews on anytime I see your name in the products I'm looking at. Just thought I'd let you know!

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Wicked K Games wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Well thanks DG, I always find it a bit surreal to find out people actually listen to anything I say. :)
Having you comment in threads and the review you write are a great boon to publishers as you seem to be very thorough. You're one of the people I read the reviews on anytime I see your name in the products I'm looking at. Just thought I'd let you know!

Honestly that just blows my mind. *L* I guess it is a good thing, I mean I started doing review because I got frustrated by the lack of detailed reviews that really told you about the product. Most just tell you how that person see's it and not what all is in the product. Though some products like some of the Super Genius ones and yours actually i find hard to review. Not cause they are bad, but because it is often hard to explain things with out just listing every single thing about the. I try to tip toe on the line of giving enough information to help people decided if they want it, but not to much as to give to much of the product away that people don't need the product. If that makes sense.

Scarab Sages

Dark_Mistress wrote:
Though some products like some of the Super Genius ones and yours actually i find hard to review. Not cause they are bad, but because it is often hard to explain things with out just listing every single thing

For the record, I don't think you've ever come anywhere close to giving too much away about a SGG product. We appreciate ALL your reviews, and I'd never object to you including more details about what we have in our products. Even if you listed every spell, feat, class, and rule, I'd be fine with that.

After all, if our writing can't add more value to our products than just the names of things, we're doomed anyway. :D And you definitely seem to have the rules-savvy to be able to give a rough description of how a rule or element works without reposting the whole thing.

And let me pitch in with the last couple of messages and say we pay attention to what you write. On a personal level, what you review impacts what -I- but for -my- home campaigns. On a professional level, if you have an issue with something in one of our products, I take another look at it. We may not always make a change, but we always pay attention to you opinion.

I'd say you have a strong case for being an alpha-geek with Pathfinder specialization.

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Just wow... I don't even know what to say. Other than you are making me blush and I am utterly floored by some of these responses I am getting about my reviews.

I might go back and try and give slightly more indepth reviews of your feats projects then, as they are the ones I was talking about. I just didn't want to list a bunch of them and what they do even roughly for fear it would defeat the point of people buying them. I was honestly concerned on a few of my reviews about giving to much away at times.


D.M.

I only wish I could replicate my review style to be equivalent to yours. I don't want to give too much away, but my beginning effort has been to just say enough to give a peek w/o giving away the ranch. I personally read your reviews as well. Given the frequency of the purchases you make out of your own pocket and the value content you give to your reviews, I'm surprised you're not a featured reviewer somewhere yet. ;)

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I thought you did a good review of Evocative City Sites: Kavit M. Tor’s Emporium of Collectible Curiosities Urizen enough that it is on my short list to buy down the road.

Thanks for the compliment though, still a bit shocked by compliments like this.

Though I think we have kinda derailed this thread which is actually suppose to be about magechantry products.

For the record I didn't post my review up at Drivethru cause... once you post it. You can't edit it or delete it, which I find annoying and I was hoping my review might prompt the writer/company to give it another edit and maybe some tweaks and upload the new file and then i would review it again.

Same goes for the other product. Which I suppose I should post here too. It is better I thought, than the first one I did. Though it uses the format of Shadowmancers from Tome of Magic. Doesn't reference it or anything though. Just done in the same way.


Dark_Mistress wrote:

I thought you did a good review of Evocative City Sites: Kavit M. Tor’s Emporium of Collectible Curiosities Urizen enough that it is on my short list to buy down the road.

Thanks for the compliment though, still a bit shocked by compliments like this.

Though I think we have kinda derailed this thread which is actually suppose to be about magechantry products.

For the record I didn't post my review up at Drivethru cause... once you post it. You can't edit it or delete it, which I find annoying and I was hoping my review might prompt the writer/company to give it another edit and maybe some tweaks and upload the new file and then i would review it again.

Same goes for the other product. Which I suppose I should post here too. It is better I thought, than the first one I did. Though it uses the format of Shadowmancers from Tome of Magic. Doesn't reference it or anything though. Just done in the same way.

Understood. I plan to post mine here first before I post over at DriveThruRPG for exactly the same reason. The thing is that while I can type over 100 wpm .... when I type reviews, I'm actually a lot slower as I think about what I'm typing and fret around to edit / revise what/how I want to come across. Since I will be leaving the state for the weekend, I really won't have a chance to summarize until sometime next week (or perhaps even after Memorial Day weekend). But you're not far off the mark as to where I will likely tailor my reviews.

I will say this, though. Nanyea *should* bring the price(s) of his works down to $4.99. If he were to sell as a bundle, do that for $7.49. I think he will get more people curious to check it out in the interim.

There's some interesting content in there, but aside from the price point there are two other things that I feel need to be addressed A.S.A.P.:

1) Get someone else to proofread and do an editorial review over the contents. It is in dire need of such a revision.

2) The quotes at the bottom of the pages are a great idea. But it needs to be more random rather than the same quote(s) over and over again.

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Urizen I think you should post it before you leave... so I can read it.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Urizen I think you should post it before you leave... so I can read it.

LOL! Already left. South Carolina's definitely a different climate than central Ohio. Moorluck & Solnes has a comfy couch. :D

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Urizen wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Urizen I think you should post it before you leave... so I can read it.
LOL! Already left. South Carolina's definitely a different climate than central Ohio. Moorluck & Solnes has a comfy couch. :D

Bah! Hurry back so you can post the review.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Urizen wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Urizen I think you should post it before you leave... so I can read it.
LOL! Already left. South Carolina's definitely a different climate than central Ohio. Moorluck & Solnes has a comfy couch. :D
Bah! Hurry back so you can post the review.

[Devo] Crack that Whip! [/Devo]

:P

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Geeze DM :) you derailed my thread!

I am taking what you say into account, and if you would like I can send you a free copy of the next book... I am cool with constructive criticism, in fact welcome it! Just send me your email, the first draft should be ready soonish lol...

I am looking at the power levels... for reference the Blades book is going to try to be along the power of Book of Nine Swords, with the encounter abilities for sustainment and still the one power per 2 levels. I am refining a few things. I am trying to be very careful not to outclass the new fighter/rogue/barbarian/bard while at the same time trying to be classier !!

Also for everyone still interested, the Rituals/Babbler is done, and will be going up for 2.99 (but I will be giving away a few copies to some people here).

As far as editorial review, still in the process... but have two new people helping me out with it, so hopefully that will help a lot. Right now we are at 7.99 for each of the two books up, but will be looking at prices again.

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Yeah I really didn't mean to. Well hopefully things work out for you with the editorial review and stuff.

I dislike posting my email up, for spam reasons. If I had a way to privately contact you I would. But I will say I am not a fan of the Bo9S at all, so keep that in mind. I never turn down free products and if you want me to give you feedback I would. I dislike giving bad reviews, thats why i never posted mine up over at Drivethru for the first one. But I would give you constructive feedback if you sent me the book, of course it would as always just be my honest opinion. :)


D_M reviews = +20

You'll have to pardon me as it has been a l-a-a-t-e evening and ... well... yeah. :P

Nanyea, D_M is definitely someone you want to get to provide an honest review whether or not she'd do it just for 'free' products. I say this with no convenience or benefit for myself. I just know that I pay attention to the detail(s) that she provides as a courtesy. :D

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Urizen wrote:

D_M reviews = +20

You'll have to pardon me as it has been a l-a-a-t-e evening and ... well... yeah. :P

Nanyea, D_M is definitely someone you want to get to provide an honest review whether or not she'd do it just for 'free' products. I say this with no convenience or benefit for myself. I just know that I pay attention to the detail(s) that she provides as a courtesy. :D

Huh... damn I have done a lot of reviews. I seen your number and checked my profile... apparently I have done 41... really? cause I don't remember doing that many.

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
Urizen wrote:

D_M reviews = +20

You'll have to pardon me as it has been a l-a-a-t-e evening and ... well... yeah. :P

Nanyea, D_M is definitely someone you want to get to provide an honest review whether or not she'd do it just for 'free' products. I say this with no convenience or benefit for myself. I just know that I pay attention to the detail(s) that she provides as a courtesy. :D

Huh... damn I have done a lot of reviews. I seen your number and checked my profile... apparently I have done 41... really? cause I don't remember doing that many.

You and Megan have been quite prolific.

We've been considering an intervention, to be honest.

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Yeah I am honestly a bit shocked I have done that many reviews. I might need therapy for this. But cause I am curious I looked at my reviews list.
1 none D20
2 Arcane Evolved
1 Paizo
37 3pp PFRPG books
15 Super Genius Games
9 4 Winds Fantasy
8 Rite publishing
3 Gun Metal Games
2 other companies

Especially since I started doing them in what March or February. Of course we are derailing the topic again. :)

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