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I'm not as much as a puist as other fans are of Star Wars, but it always struck me that Ryan Phillippe would have made a better Anakin than Hayden Christensen. Thoughts?


Pretty much any other actor would have been better than Hayden Christensen. Shame about the rest of the film, too.


I always thought James Franco would have made an excellent Anakin.

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At least they didn't cast Leo DiCaprio who was in the running for awhile.

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I had also heard Macauley Culkin's name bandied about. *SHUDDER*

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They should have made him a Muppet. Either that or a totally CG character. Better still, a CG Muppet.


It doesn't really matter who would have been cast as Anakin. The direction and writing were so terrible, nobody would look good in the part. Hayden Christensen had done competent acting before that piece of celluloid trash that was Attack of the Clones was made. NOBODY looks particularly good in any of those prequel movies.


David Fryer wrote:
At least they didn't cast Leo DiCaprio who was in the running for awhile.

Actually I don't think Leo would have done all that bad a job. However, if he did AotC he wouldn't have had time for Catch Me If You Can, which would have been a damn shame.

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Xuttah wrote:
They should have made him a Muppet. Either that or a totally CG character. Better still, a CG Muppet.

Throw in a funny/racist accent and you've got a winner.


In a discussion with another literary friend of mine, likewise a fellow fan of the original trilogy, we hit upon what may have been a crucial problem with episodes I-III. It's not only bad writing and directing, but the wrong perspective.

In the original three movies, you have Luke Skywalker as the antagonist. He (and the audience) find out that he is destined to confront Darth Vader, formerly Anakin Skywalker, who was a Jedi turned to the dark side. Obi-wan and Yoda hope to succeed with Luke where they ultimately failed with Anakin.

As the audience, we (assuming we've already seen the original trilogy) know all this already. When Anakin is on screen, we know he's destined to become Darth Vader. In our minds, he's already a villain. So why is the action of the movies focused on him?

Really, those movies are a three-part tragedy. The main character should be Obi-wan Kenobi, not Anakin Skywalker. Obi-wan is a tragic hero. Anakin Skywalker is a petulant, egotistical child with anger issues and way too much power in his possession. Obi Wan tries his best to live up to the oath he gives Qui-gon that he will train the boy, even though he does not believe that it is the wise thing to do. His sense of honor in the face of reason becomes his foil, his tragic flaw. His final mistake, of course, is not finishing Anakin when he has the chance. If the scripts had been written with this in mind, by someone competent who can actually write dialogue, they could have been so much better.

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As the audience, we (assuming we've already seen the original trilogy) know all this already. When Anakin is on screen, we know he's destined to become Darth Vader. In our minds, he's already a villain. So why is the action of the movies focused on him?

This.

The Clone Wars cartoon also suffers greatly from the bad guys as protagonist thing. It tries to humanize the clone troopers and make them seem like good guys as well, but you can't escape from the fact that (a) they kill almost all the jedi (which itself is laughably stupid) and (b) they wear practically the same armor, use practically the same ships, and are otherwise the ancestors of the villains in the original trilogy. If Star Wars were a more nuanced fictional universe, this might work, but it's a pretty black and white setting, so the 180 turn from good to evil is particularly dissonant.

Episodes I through III elevate the villains in IV through VI into heroes, which might work if they did more to acknowledge the eventual fate of these characters, but instead, they mostly just whitewash these elements out.

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Shadowborn wrote:


Really, those movies are a three-part tragedy.

Yep, they're a tragedy all right...It's tragic what they did to the franchise.

I've already banned them from my one year old daughter's viewing. I want her to grow up seeing the original Star Wars films and actually enjoying them.


Sebastian wrote:
The Clone Wars cartoon also suffers greatly from the bad guys as protagonist thing. It tries to humanize the clone troopers and make them seem like good guys as well, but you can't escape from the fact that (a) they kill almost all the jedi (which itself is laughably stupid) and (b) they wear practically the same armor, use practically the same ships, and are otherwise the ancestors of the villains in the original trilogy.

This.

There's now two episodes of the Clone Wars that show that the clones have individual personality. Or at least can devlop one.

In one episode a clone turns traitor and works for Count Dooku in exchange for a lot of money and a promise to no longer have to fight in a war he cares nothing about.

In another, a clone deserted the military and became a farmer and took a wife and even fathered children. He just didnt want to fight.

So then Episode 3 rolls around and the Emperor orders all Jedi to be enemies of the republic and all the clones immediatly kill the jedi without one moment of hesitation.

After watching the cartoon you see the jedi and clones almost form a bond of freindship. Based on the show, after Order 66 is issued you would think they would at least sigh or look concerned then resign themselves to their duty.

And yes the clones being able to kill all the jedi is laughably stupid.

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After watching the cartoon you see the jedi and clones almost form a bond of freindship. Based on the show, after Order 66 is issued you would think they would at least sigh or look concerned then resign themselves to their duty.

And yes the clones being able to kill all the jedi is laughably stupid.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that it was some sort of dormant hypnotic suggestion or brainwashing that was placed in the minds of all clones.

And yeah, it shouldn't have worked. They might've gotten one or two, but the rest should've survived and started the rebellion. Then Vader could have actually hunted down and destroyed the Jedi like Obi Wan said he did in Ep 4.

That would have made a great film there! A ragtag group of Jedi survivors trying desperately to get to a safe planet, all the while being chased down by the unstoppable juggernought that is the rage-and-grief fueled Vader and the first generation of Storm Troopers.


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The only explanation that makes sense to me is that it was some sort of dormant hypnotic suggestion or brainwashing that was placed in the minds of all clones.

They're actually pretty clear about that, or at least heavily imply it in Ep2 - that the troopers have been conditioned to take orders.

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And yeah, it shouldn't have worked. They might've gotten one or two, but the rest should've survived and started the rebellion. Then Vader could have actually hunted down and destroyed the Jedi like Obi Wan said he did in Ep 4.

Given the superman-vibe Lucas gave them in Ep2, maybe. But with the much more moderate take on the Force and force powers in the original trilogy, I can totally see the clones turning on the Jedi and successfully taking them down quickly. After all, they're largely separated across many star systems and surrounded by their soon-to-be enemies.

But I think having a slightly larger proportion of survivors, still scattered far and wide, and you'd fit the lore of the original trilogy better. I do remember how Vader supposedly helped the Empire hunt down and kill the Jedi. Not much to hunt down given how Ep3 transpires.


It might have worked better if they explained there had been a hidden reflex and when Order 66 was issued they were possessed by a memory of the original Jango Fett in battle rage and simultaneously attacked the jedi before they could even think twice such that none of the Jedi would realise what was wrong in time.

They even had a comic issue dealing with how Dooku got Jango's help where he openly wondered how Jango killed that many Jedi when Dooku led a force to take Jango's group down at the behest of the people who had hired Jango in the first place.

Still if they ever do a live action series it will be interesting to see how they handle that part since Palpatine had to look for new recruits after a fair portion of his clone army actually tried to make amends for what happened.

Is that last part is canon or did I misintrepret that bit?
I know they say only the movies count as canon, but it would be nice to know how that stands


Jedi are not gods.

the force was out of balance.

the force abandoned them.

20 clone troopers vs 1 jedi equals 1 dead jedi.

the original trilogy made it look like the stormtroopers were poor shots, but it was at the time before dark fantasy became so prevalent. now you expect murder/death/kills main characters to commit suicide at every turn.

and if you follow the lore, Republic General Order 66 states something like 'The jedi have planned a takeover of the republic', and if i remeber correctly was supported by the jedi during the Ruusan reformations.

So the clone troopers were just doing thier jobs, as any good soldier should. and there were LOTS of them that refused to kill their jedi.

also, there was o much ant-jedi sentiment among the whole of the galaxy that was hinted at in the movies, ie 'Some of the more experienced jedi are arrogant' etc.

but i agree, hayden did't do a good job as anakin. As much I don't like the actor, i think Leo would have made a decent anakin, but my honest opinion would be to take out hayden and put in the anakin from the clone wars, as i feel the CG anakin and his voice actor is a much better anakin than hayden.

I also understood after showing my 8 years old the whole star wars saga from episode i to episode 6 that you can't do that. The movies are meant to be showed 4-6, then 1-3. Once you've seen them like that, than you can go back and watch them from 1-6.


And my Biggest gripe of all:

One minute I am a goody two shoed jedi, the next i am a dark lord of the SITH!!!!

Ok, seriously, there should have one more scene, andif you follow me as Darthsinge on some other boards, you may have read this before, but i really feel that when Anakin as Vader marched up to the jedi temple, a jedi Master should have met him there.

Jedi master: 'Master Skywalker, what is this?"
Anakin/Vader 'The end for you.'
Jedi master 'You have betrayed us!'
Anakin/Vader 'it is you who have betrayed yourselves.'
Jedi Master 'Then there is nothing more to say!.'

-and the fight ensues, and Anakin/Vader gets his but kicked until he starts actually using the dark side, then WALLOPS the jedi master, and then goes after the rest of the jedi.

and secondly, in the OT, Vader says 'Obi-Wan once thought as you do.." referring to turning him back. he did, really? When? Did i miss something?

And lastly, Leia remembering her mom as being sad. Ok, I understand the need to kill off Padme and what not, but dude, if you're gonna put hayden As anakin in, seriously, take out the part where leia says that.


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And lastly, Leia remembering her mom as being sad. Ok, I understand the need to kill off Padme and what not, but dude, if you're gonna put hayden As anakin in, seriously, take out the part where leia says that.

No, no, wrong psychology. If you're not going to strip out a poignant scene from Return of the Jedi, don't screw up your story in Ep3.

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"I don't recall ever owning a droid." Obi-Wan in Ep. 4. Despite having palled around with THOSE VERY 2 DROIDS in all 3 prequels.

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Charlie Bell wrote:
"I don't recall ever owning a droid." Obi-Wan in Ep. 4. Despite having palled around with THOSE VERY 2 DROIDS in all 3 prequels.

But he was being strictly honest, Anakin owned R2, not old Ben.

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Depends on what your definition of "is" is. Obie Wan may have been telling the truth in the most narrow and literal sense of that term, but only in that sense.

Or, in the parlance of the SEC, he omitted to state a material fact necessary under the circumstances to not make the statement misleading. His actual possession of legal title to the droids wasn't really the subject of the discussion. Unless he was being willfully obtuse and extra douche-tastic, he should've maybe said "huh, I never owned any droids, but these droids in particular I do know. We were best buds and used to play hide the sprocket on a regular basis. Heck, that R2 unit saved my ass over 45 times during the Clone Wars. Funny story about the gold one - your dad built him."

Also, I think Padme owned R2, not Anakin. Anakin built C3-P0 because the first thing you need when you're a slave on a backwater desert planet where you rarely interact with diplomats or do anything other than repair work is a protocol droid.

Hmmm...though on second thought, Luke had the bright idea to purchase a protocol droid and an astromech droid to work on a farm. Do they only make droids for particularly narrow purposes in the Star Wars universe, or are the Skywalkers just morons when it comes to figuring out which ones they need for the task at hand.

Luke: "Gosh, I sure could use a droid to go underwater with me."
Jawa: "You're in luck, I've got a mountain climbing droid."
Luke: "Perfect! Can you throw in the paper mache folding droid too?"
Jawa: "Oh yeah, no problem. That'll come in handy underwater."
SCUBA Droid: "Whhhhrr...click, click...burble, burble."

Edit: Also, while I'm feeling ranty, is it just me, or was Watto the most lenient slave owner ever?

Anakin: "Hey Watto, do you mind if I build a droid over here?"
Watto: "Oh yeah, sure, build a droid. In fact, I've got an old pod racer out back. Why don't you fix that up too."
Anakin: "Sweet!"
Watto: "No problem, it's not like I own you and the equipment you build. Besides, we really need a protocol droid around here. And a pod racer. Because of all the diplomats who come by and challenge me to a race. What else would I do with those things? Sell them? At my store? Don't be ridiculous!"

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I think in the EpIV Lars 3PO purchase, he needed a droid that spoke the "binary language of moisture converters" or something. 3PO justified his own purchase by being proficient in over 6 million forms of communication. Why they needed an astromech droid is beyond me, though.

But yeah about Watto. They even had a nice, cozy little house away from their master.


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I think in the EpIV Lars 3PO purchase, he needed a droid that spoke the "binary language of moisture converters" or something. 3PO justified his own purchase by being proficient in over 6 million forms of communication. Why they needed an astromech droid is beyond me, though.

In the original trilogy, even the stuff you're questioning is relatively easy to suss out... unlike the prequels.

Why an astromech droid? Jawas sell scavenged and, presumably, "hot" droids. So you buy what they've got that comes close to your needs. Lars Owen needed droids to maintain the moisture farm machinery. Astromech droids may be good for space ships but one can assume their mechanical and electronic skills are not limited just to ship systems.

Even C3PO had some technical skills since one of his first jobs had been programming binary load lifters, which are apparently similar to moisture vaporators.

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Even C3PO had some technical skills since one of his first jobs had been programming binary load lifters, which are apparently similar to moisture vaporators.

In most respects. :)


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As the audience, we (assuming we've already seen the original trilogy) know all this already. When Anakin is on screen, we know he's destined to become Darth Vader. In our minds, he's already a villain. So why is the action of the movies focused on him?

Speculation follows:

All of Lucas's understanding of his characters comes from his source material and Episode 4, not the actual mythos created by episode 5-6 (which is where we get much of the back story and character development). The Leigh Brackett / Lawrence Kasdan stuff is basically off the table.

Because of this, Vader's character ends up being limited to the story dimensions carved out by Susumu Fujita of General Hyoe Tadokoro in The Hidden Fortress, which is that of a merciless warlord, who after being betrayed by his master, rebels against him.

The irony is that Lucas sets up Vader as false protagonist through the mythos he builds around the Sith (the inherent Master vs Apprentice betrayal in all Sith stories). Vader is fated to betray the Emperor sooner or later, simply by being a Sith.

Unfortunately, Lucas is blind to the mythos he created and attempts to cast Anakin/Vader as the protagonist anyways, never realizing that he never creates the opportunity for choice for his would-be protagonist.

Really, the closest we come to protagonists are Obi-wan(ep1-3) and Solo(ep4 - 5).

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Also, I think Padme owned R2, not Anakin. Anakin built C3-P0 because the first thing you need when you're a slave on a backwater desert planet where you rarely interact with diplomats or do anything other than repair work is a protocol droid.

In the first Clone Wars cartoon series they have a scene where Padme gives Anakin R2 as a wedding gift, since she has no use for an astromech droid. In return he let's her have 3PO since he has no use for a protocol droid, seeing as he lets his lightsaber negotiate for him.


Charlie Bell wrote:
Why they needed an astromech droid is beyond me, though.

Because anyone who lands on Tatooine is obviously lost, and needs his starship's astro-navigation computer reprogrammed, and will be willing to pay any price for that? (Okay, I'm reaching. But it struck me as a challenging question to answer. I think of that question every time I tell my kids the story. I guess Bill Dunn came up with a better answer than I did.)

Charlie Bell wrote:
But yeah about Watto. They even had a nice, cozy little house away from their master.

I agree that slavery on Tatooine doesn't look bad. "Go on, take the rest of the day off." But as one fan told me, a slave in a gilded cage is still a slave.

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Really, the closest we come to protagonists are Obi-wan(ep1-3) and Solo(ep4 - 5).

When Brian Daley was offered an opportunity after the release of "A New Hope" to write a trilogy of novels about any of the characters, he immediately chose Han Solo. When asked why, he said, "Because Han's the hero; he's the one who makes the moral choice."

And he's right. Everybody else more or less goes about their pre-programmed directions. Luke, in particular, does his derring-do to rescue the cute princess, or out of a childish hatred of the Empire --curiously, not revenge over Owen and Beru.

Han is the one who turns the Falcon around, even though he knows it will certainly cost him dearly, and probably lead to his death, simply because it's the right thing to do.

In Episode 5, I think the central protagonist is Luke, who turns away from his training and tries to rescue his friends. Again, it's the strategically stupid thing to do, but the only moral choice he can make.

And in Episode 6, the team of Luke and Darth Vader. Luke refuses to succumb to his rage, and Vader chooses to turn against his master and save his son. Again, they know these are the choices that lead to death. Again, they act only because they know the right thing to do.

I like the analysis of Obi-Wan as the protagonist of the Annikin trilogy. (I seriously doubt that anybody connected with the movie ever thought of the plot in that way.) Until this thread, I'd considered that the prequels didn't have a protagonist.


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Everybody else (EDIT: besides Han) more or less goes about their pre-programmed directions. Luke, in particular, does his derring-do to rescue the cute princess, or out of a childish hatred of the Empire --curiously, not revenge over Owen and Beru.

I disagree. When Luke found out that Leia was being held prisoner on the Death Star, he could have said "The plans R2 is carrying could save the lives of billions of people. That's more important than one person, however beautiful." But no, Luke risked his own - and his friends' - lives to do the heroic, strategically stupid thing.

And I don't think it's a wonder in the least that Luke's main motive wasn't revenge. He hated the empire before Owen's and Beru's death. It was simply that Owen and Beru were holding him back. Dead, they held him back no more. He didn't NEED another motive.

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Chris Mortika wrote:
Good stuff.

I'm a long-time SW fan. With the release of Ep 1-3, I think you have to look at the entire movie story as a whole. I felt alot better about the prequels once I stopped viewing them as the "prequels" and instead viewed the 6-episode story arc in it's entirely from it's in-universe chronological start to finish.

Viewed that way, it's the story of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. He starts off innocent, but has a huge burden of being the Force's savior placed on him long before he was ready. In fact, as we see through his training and war experiences, he's never ready for the burden fate places on him. This culminates in his being lead astray by a powerful and charismatic leader, who tempts him with the one thing he's most immature about (his Mommy/Padme issues). In this way, he becomes (to the universe) the embodiment of evil. But in the end, it's his love for the son he hardly knows (and a good dollop of guilt) that allows him to redeem himself by destroying the true source of the evil heaped on the galaxy.

Most other characters are incidental to the story, with the exception of Han (who chooses the difficult path), Luke (who is possible following his father's trajectory), and Obi-wan (who's battling the inevitable).

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One thing that most people don't take into account as well is that an ill timed leak required a rewrite of the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Initially George Lucas had written the story with Obi-Wan being Luke and Leia's father, but that shock was leaked to the press prior to the film being released so George and Co. went back and reshot the relevant parts with Darth Vader being Luke's father. When you take that into account, some of the discrepancies, particularly in A New Hope take on a different meaning.


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Chris Mortika wrote:
Good stuff.

I'm a long-time SW fan. With the release of Ep 1-3, I think you have to look at the entire movie story as a whole. I felt alot better about the prequels once I stopped viewing them as the "prequels" and instead viewed the 6-episode story arc in it's entirely from it's in-universe chronological start to finish.

For me, that makes it worse. The limitations of the storytelling (as well as the story's inherent development) in Eps1-3 just drag it all down from a classic hero's journey to... beats the hell out of me, I can't tell anymore. Viewing it as Anakin's story doesn't help either because so little of it makes enough sense for me to care.

I feel a lot better doing my best to ignore the prequels entirely and enjoying the original trilogy as a brilliant example of movie-making that tells a bang-up fun story, pays homage to movie-making styles of the past, and opens vistas of techniques that were groundbreaking and paved the way for the future of effects in film.

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David, do you have a citaton for that anywhere? I don't doubt that some iterations of the script for "Empire" could have hit the sour note of Obi-Wan being Luke's father, but that really doesn't allow the backstory in "A New Hope" to make nearly as much sense.

(I have also heard that Han Solo was, in one early version of things, supposed to be Luke's older brother, kind of like Racer X or something. Nobody has ever been able to back that up with a citation, either.)


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David, do you have a citaton for that anywhere?

I was about to ask the same question.

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[poorly quoted from Robot Chicken]

Vadar: Luke, I am your father.
Luke: Nooo! That's impossible!!!
Vadar: And Leia is your sister.
Luke: Noo! That's...improbable...
Vadar: And the force? That's just midichlorians.
Luke: Huh?
Vadar: And the Empire will be defeated by teddy bears.
Luke: Okay, fine, you're not taking this seriously.

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Bill Dunn wrote:
For me, that makes it worse. The limitations of the storytelling (as well as the story's inherent development) in Eps1-3 just drag it all down from a classic hero's journey to... beats the hell out of me, I can't tell anymore. Viewing it as Anakin's story doesn't help either because so little of it makes enough sense for me to care.

I'm with you on this. The prequel trilogy is so incredibly poorly defined and confusing that I really just prefer not to think about it. There are so many problems that happen just in Episode 1 that set up the rest of the trilogy for failure.

The multiplying endings effect is the worst, but luckily was curbed after Episode 1. Episode 4 ends with the Battle of Yavin. Episode 5 ends with the lightsaber duel and Leia and gang escape. Episode 6 ends with a lightsaber duel, battle on the forest moon, and the space battle. Episode 1 ends with a lightsaber duel, Padme assaulting the palace, the Gungans fighting the droid army, and the space battle.

Then, Episode 2 tries to be a love story. The acting and writing in this movie is the lowest point in the series, making it my least favorite (the speech about sand really makes my blood boil).

Episode 3 has some really bad moments (He killed the younglings!) but is overall not that bad, except for two key moments in the story. First, they do a decent job of building up to revealing Darth Sideous, but once that revelation is made, Anakin goes evil like it's the easiest choice he ever made. Anti-climactic but excusable. What is unforgivable is that the climax of the entire new trilogy is hinged on having the high ground.

There were so many other, better places that the fight could have ended, but no, Anakin does a spinning jump straight out of Super Mario World and gets his limbs cut off because Obi-Wan had the high ground. That one moment was enough to completely ruin all of the tension that had been building up throughout the movie, and every time I watch the movie I can't help but laugh.

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Chris Mortika wrote:
David, do you have a citaton for that anywhere?
I was about to ask the same question.

Growing up in Northern California I had a friend who's dad worked for Lucas Films and got George to come and talk to us for career day. It was George himself that told us that little tidbit. He even brought in the raw footage to show us the scene as it was originally shot.

That day was one of the highlights of my life as I was selected to be the student who showed George around to the different classrooms while he was at the school. Of course I got a bad case of poison oak the day before and ended up looking like a Star Wars character because my eyes swelled up so bad. Of course I was also the most popular kid in school for a few days because I had spent the whole day with George Lucas.

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[poorly quoted from Robot Chicken]

Vadar: Luke, I am your father.
Luke: Nooo! That's impossible!!!
Vadar: And Leia is your sister.
Luke: Noo! That's...improbable...
Vadar: And the force? That's just midichlorians.
Luke: Huh?
Vadar: And the Empire will be defeated by teddy bears.
Luke: Okay, fine, you're not taking this seriously.

Don't forget that all the toxic material that fell on Endor killed off most of the Ewoks, so the Empire got the last laugh.

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David Fryer wrote:

Growing up in Northern California I had a friend who's dad worked for Lucas Films and got George to come and talk to us for career day. It was George himself that told us that little tidbit. He even brought in the raw footage to show us the scene as it was originally shot.

Well, I know that one of the mock-up replies for "I know enough. I know you killed my father!" was "No, Luke. Obi-Wan killed your father."

As for Obi-wan being Luke and Leia's father, I'm glad that never saw screen time. It's so very much weaker. If nothing else, Vader knowing Luke is his child makes his (Vader's) personality shift from "New Hope" to "Empire" sensible. In "New Hope", he was a nasty piece of work, but sensible, methodical. In "Empire" he kills underlings who are doing their jobs, just because he is desperate to gt ahold of "the Skywalker", personally and privately, before the Emperor does.

(And, if you can recall, David, how was the confrontation under Cloud City supposed to end, in the version you saw? Vader would be a one-dimensional bad guy, and they really wouldn't have anything to talk about.)

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Chris Mortika wrote:


(And, if you can recall, David, how was the confrontation under Cloud City supposed to end, in the version you saw? Vader would be a one-dimensional bad guy, and they really wouldn't have anything to talk about.)

He only showed a brief 10 minute clip, but as I recall the only real change was Vader telling Luke "No, Obi-Wan is your father." beyond that it really went basically the same.

Edit: There were a lot of other clips he showed so I could be wrong. For example he showed how they filmed the scene where the Emperor arrives on the Death Star with only about 20 extras and then used some post production tricks to fill the whole hanger bay. Also Uncle Owen was Obi-Wan's brother and they only changed that officially with Episode 2.

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Bill Dunn wrote:
It doesn't really matter who would have been cast as Anakin. The direction and writing were so terrible, nobody would look good in the part. Hayden Christensen had done competent acting before that piece of celluloid trash that was Attack of the Clones was made. NOBODY looks particularly good in any of those prequel movies.

This is my consensus too. They were reading the lines without having a single say in the script. I think none of them knew where their characters stood in the big scheme of things, so much talent pigeon-holed in a dreadful script and direction.

With that said, it seems episode 3 actually got George Lucas back on track with his mediocre game. I still very much like the scene when Palpatine and Anakin talk about Darth Plagius during the theatre performance. Palpatine's big reveal to Anakin also seemed rather heart felt and well timed, all logic put aside. Palpatine probably was the best part of the trilogy and defines George Lucas the man. He is the emperor in my mind, self-brainwashed to be infallable by his own success. Everyone around him agrees in his universe. At least we can get a laugh from this GUY.


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[quoted from Robot Chicken]

Darth Vader: Luke... I am your father!
Luke Skywalker: Noooo! That's impossible!
Darth Vader: It's true! And Princess Leia is your sister!
Luke Skywalker: That's... improbable.
Darth Vader: And the Empire will be defeated by Ewoks!
Luke Skywalker: That's... highly unlikely...
Darth Vader: And as a kid, I built C-3PO!
Luke Skywalker: ...wha?
[time passes]
Darth Vader: And you know that all-powerful Force? That's really just microscopic bacteria called Midichlorians!
Luke Skywalker: [smoking a cigarette] Look, if you're not gonna take this seriously, I'm outta here!

Corrected for you.


Zuxius wrote:
At least we can get a laugh from this GUY.

Well, except for those last few seconds...that part was just plain creepy.


Shadowborn wrote:
Zuxius wrote:
At least we can get a laugh from this GUY.
Well, except for those last few seconds...that part was just plain creepy.

That's the point. Turns into an entertaining little subplot as the review goes on.


Davi The Eccentric wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
Zuxius wrote:
At least we can get a laugh from this GUY.
Well, except for those last few seconds...that part was just plain creepy.
That's the point. Turns into an entertaining little subplot as the review goes on.

Obviously your definition of "creepy" and mine are very different. I found the video to be entertaining despite the creepy subplot.

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