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Since a monk is able to use his flurry of blows ability with a quarterstaff, should he be able to wield it as a two-handed weapon instead of a double weapon?
While 1d6 as a base damage isn't that impressive (especially compared to his unarmed damage as higher levels), getting 1.5 times his strength modifier on damage as well as the increased power attack damage bonus would be rather nice.
You certainly don't get 1.5x Str bonus:
"A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands."
The Power Attack thing is debatable. It's not explicitly forbidden, but it's somewhat implied that all flurry of blows attacks are created equal (IMO).
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You certainly don't get 1.5x Str bonus:
"A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands."
The Power Attack thing is debatable. It's not explicitly forbidden, but it's somewhat implied that all flurry of blows attacks are created equal (IMO).
Thanks. That makes two-handed weapons rather useless for monks. Even with Power Attack granting a higher bonus, the unarmed strike would still deal at least as much damage (except at third level).
What Hogarth said, altho I'd allow the power attack.
Also remember that at lower levels your fists may not bypass DR, but a properly tipped quarterstaff would.
Since a monk is able to use his flurry of blows ability with a quarterstaff, should he be able to wield it as a two-handed weapon instead of a double weapon?
While 1d6 as a base damage isn't that impressive (especially compared to his unarmed damage as higher levels), getting 1.5 times his strength modifier on damage as well as the increased power attack damage bonus would be rather nice.
I am nearly positive that a double weapon used in two hands to do TWF follows the normal rules for TWF damage amd strength bonus damage/power attack.
So aside from the monk limitations already stated, the rules on Double Weapons stop it as well.
And I am sure a Quarterstaff is a non exotic Double weapon.
Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.
The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round.
Thanks. That makes two-handed weapons rather useless for monks. Even with Power Attack granting a higher bonus, the unarmed strike would still deal at least as much damage (except at third level).
Well, on the bright side a +5 quarterstaff is much cheaper than a +5 (or even +4) amulet of mighty fists. That's the main advantage, IMO; if you use that extra +1 enhancement for something that provides +1d6 damage (e.g. a Merciful quarterstaff), then you're doing 2d6 base damage (sort of, but not really) which is reasonably competitive until level 15.
Note: I'm currently playing an Eberron monk that uses a longspear as a monk weapon (there's a feat for that), so the subject is near and dear to my heart.
Well, on the bright side a +5 quarterstaff is much cheaper than a +5 (or even +4) amulet of mighty fists. That's the main advantage, IMO...
Of course a simple +5 Quarterstaff is only enchanted on one end since it is a double weapon. If your flurrying then the 'off' end is non enchanted and treated appropriately.
Which is probably why the Amulte of Mighty fists is expensive. It is probably made assuming '2 weapon' pricing.
Of course a simple +5 Quarterstaff is only enchanted on one end since it is a double weapon. If your flurrying then the 'off' end is non enchanted and treated appropriately.
When making a flurry, you can use "any combination" of attacks using either hand. There's no requirement to ever use the "off hand".
I am nearly positive that a double weapon used in two hands to do TWF follows the normal rules for TWF damage amd strength bonus damage/power attack.So aside from the monk limitations already stated, the rules on Double Weapons stop it as well.
And I am sure a Quarterstaff is a non exotic Double weapon.
You are correct as far as doing a single attack or non-flurry full-attack with the staff. However, the rules for flurry override the rules for a 2-h weapon if you are using a flurry of blows. But, if you are trying to bypass DR, it may very well be worth it to do a normal full-attack with power attack rather than using flurry of blows.
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Of course a simple +5 Quarterstaff is only enchanted on one end since it is a double weapon. If your flurrying then the 'off' end is non enchanted and treated appropriately.When making a flurry, you can use "any combination" of attacks using either hand. There's no requirement to ever use the "off hand".
So Flurry means I can use Two-Weapon Fighting with only one hand? Awesome.
Power attack certainly isn't prohibted from flurry of blows, although it seems pretty clear to me that regardless of weapon it would be treated as one-handed.
So Flurry means I can use Two-Weapon Fighting with only one hand? Awesome.Of course a simple +5 Quarterstaff is only enchanted on one end since it is a double weapon. If your flurrying then the 'off' end is non enchanted and treated appropriately.When making a flurry, you can use "any combination" of attacks using either hand. There's no requirement to ever use the "off hand".
yes, you could have a +5 Holy, Flaming, Shocking Burst kama, and use only it for every one of your flurry attacks.
Power attack certainly isn't prohibted from flurry of blows, although it seems pretty clear to me that regardless of weapon it would be treated as one-handed.
Yes, but using a staff, if you decide not to flurry, you could full-attack two-handed , and use 1 1/2 strength bonus and 1 1/2 power attack bonus added to your damage. Certainly makes a quarter staff a worthwhile weapon for a monk, since no other two-handed weapon is a special monk weapon.
Since a monk is able to use his flurry of blows ability with a quarterstaff, should he be able to wield it as a two-handed weapon instead of a double weapon?
While 1d6 as a base damage isn't that impressive (especially compared to his unarmed damage as higher levels), getting 1.5 times his strength modifier on damage as well as the increased power attack damage bonus would be rather nice.I am nearly positive that a double weapon used in two hands to do TWF follows the normal rules for TWF damage amd strength bonus damage/power attack.
So aside from the monk limitations already stated, the rules on Double Weapons stop it as well.
And I am sure a Quarterstaff is a non exotic Double weapon.
Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.
The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round.
The rules don't seem to support your position since they specifically state that the double weapon can be used as a two handed weapon .
Please note the period before the statement "A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand ..."
Which you are not doing if you use it two handed .
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Power attack certainly isn't prohibted from flurry of blows, although it seems pretty clear to me that regardless of weapon it would be treated as one-handed.Yes, but using a staff, if you decide not to flurry, you could full-attack two-handed , and use 1 1/2 strength bonus and 1 1/2 power attack bonus added to your damage. Certainly makes a quarter staff a worthwhile weapon for a monk, since no other two-handed weapon is a special monk weapon.
This!! A Staff is a very versatile weapon for a monk. They can use it with a flurry, turning it into a double weapon, without taking the penalty to off hand attacks (And taking full advantage of any energy enchantment). They can use it in a non flurry, as a two handed weapon taking advantage of the extra str bonus and other 2-hand benefits. In either case, disarming a staff wielder is harder as it is two handed. Last it is useful just for carrying around. Never know when you will need a big stick.
In either case, disarming a staff wielder is harder as it is two handed.
Not anymore. Change from 3.5 #1,648
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Think the quarterstaff is the only typical weapon you can wield like that and flurry with. Baring any feats of course.
Quarterstaves are nice for monks, good solid weapons that can be made totally kick ass with a druid spell or two. Oil of Shillelagh anyone? Not bad for 50 gold.
Flurry of blows is treated as being like the "Two weapon fighting" feat branch, with the exception of the monk's ambidextry that allows full STR bonus on off-hand strikes. In which case, the quarter staff is treated as a double weapon, and gets full strenght bonus for every attack.