Hey guys,
My home game decided to switch settings over to PFChronicles recently, and since they did I've decided to reroll as a Summoner.
I've been having some issues trying to flesh out this character. The deity of choice is a toughy, he was a Paladin of The Silver Flame when this was set in Eberron, and I'd like to see him worship a similar deity in this world. Ragathiel was thrown out as an option, since he fits the righteous smiting type of deity, like the flame, however being only a demi-god I'm not sure on it.
Aside from that, I really don't know what to do with my Eidolon. The crunching for one, I really don't know what I would need to invest into to make him effective, and since this character's backstory explains the eidolon as some representative of his deity, I would love to model him after an angel, or some other celestial warrior/agent of that god too.
Some numbers, my stats 12 12 11 14 17 18 (rolled) human, lvl 2.
Thanks for any help y'all can muster!
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Sarenrae is probably your best choice if you are looking for a righteous smiting type diety.
As for the Eidolon, they are pretty flexible so if you make mistakes early on you can generally change them at a later time. The quadraped seems to be the strongest base because you can get pounce. At lower levels your BAB is so low I would stick with attack forms that net you primary attacks which limits you to claws and bite (I think, not looking at the doc right now).
Hey guys,
My home game decided to switch settings over to PFChronicles recently, and since they did I've decided to reroll as a Summoner.
I've been having some issues trying to flesh out this character. The deity of choice is a toughy, he was a Paladin of The Silver Flame when this was set in Eberron, and I'd like to see him worship a similar deity in this world. Ragathiel was thrown out as an option, since he fits the righteous smiting type of deity, like the flame, however being only a demi-god I'm not sure on it.
Aside from that, I really don't know what to do with my Eidolon. The crunching for one, I really don't know what I would need to invest into to make him effective, and since this character's backstory explains the eidolon as some representative of his deity, I would love to model him after an angel, or some other celestial warrior/agent of that god too.
Some numbers, my stats 12 12 11 14 17 18 (rolled) human, lvl 2.
Thanks for any help y'all can muster!
Iomedae and Torag are your main "righteous smiter" deities, but Iomedae probably fits the concept better. Sarenrae fits the fire aspect but she's viewed as a little bit of a softy by the sterner of the good gods.
Having an angel-like eidolon is very doable. Start with the bipedal form and add wings. If you want to keep it humanoid in shape you'll probably not be maximizing the number of natural attacks you can make, but that's the beauty of evolution points, you can put them in other places. Give it celestial resistances, spell-like abilities, weapon training, DR, frightful presence, SR, etc. It might not be the highest damage output eidolon in the world, but it will be well rounded and fit your concept well.
Well if you want him to be 'angelic' thats pretty easy. Start with a biped, give him flight evolution, and imroved natural armor at level 1 (i really recommend this to give the eidolon a descent starting AC) then give him martial weapon proficiency (weapon of your choice) for his level 1 feat.
Now you have a winged biped wielding some weapon. Its your choice how it appears, nothing says they cant be feathered wings, and him having a bright angelic hue.
Alternatively you can wait untill level 2 for the wings and give him claws evolution if you dont want him to use weapons. In my opinion relying on the eidolons natural attacks through evolutions is superior to using manufactured weapons, but it depends on your image and what you want, it will still be quite capable when using a weapon.
Thanks for the great feedback so far. Sarenrae and Iomedae are both really enticing options. I'm leaning more towards Sarenrae, but it's a tough decision either way.
As for the Eidolon, let me give a little of my characters back story, a synopsis. Indalamar Barik was left to be raised at the temple of Blank after this mother died in childbirth, and his father, a questing knight of blank was unable to properly care for him. Long story short he is raised as a acolyte, and taught the ways of the church, before his right of priesthood is performed there is word that his father's cadre had been ambushed and everyone was killed baring his father, whom is missing.
The scouts return the amulet his Father was wearing, the same that his mother would wear when she lived,it was her holy symbol of Blank. Barik takes the amulet and immediately recieves a vision of his Father, living and being held captive, with an ominous message that there is treachery in the church and Barik must seek out his father's captures and the turn coats.
That night after received the news,and the amulet the Eidolon comes to him, it was the same that came to his mother, and helped her.
I envision him resembling some agetn of the deity, or symbol of the deity. I.e. a Fu Dog, Gold Dragon (not an actual one) or one of those Hound Archons. The eidolon isn't necessarily very intelligent, I was thinking more along the lines of a genius animal, and very wise. Something doesn't feel right about him bosing around an Angel.
What do y'all think ?
the form of your eidolon and the relationship your summoner has with your eidolon is entirely up to you.
Its intelligence is not, its going to start at 7 certainly no genius but way above any animal, it can also speak any language the summoner can. You can raise it's intelligence, but not lower it. So having an eidolon of animal intelligence is not really an option.
the form of your eidolon and the relationship your summoner has with your eidolon is entirely up to you.
Its intelligence is not, its going to start at 7 certainly no genius but way above any animal, it can also speak any language the summoner can. You can raise it's intelligence, but not lower it. So having an eidolon of animal intelligence is not really an option.
I meant genius for an animal, 7 would do fine. Something that isn't more intelligent than it's summoner :)
I envision him as much more of a protector, and friend. Possibly explaining his evolution as being a growing understanding and power of his summoner. Going from more of an animal like protector, to a adviser/warrior.
I'm torn between him starting as a quadruped and then moving to Bipedal. Or starting bipedal etc.
the form of your eidolon and the relationship your summoner has with your eidolon is entirely up to you.
Its intelligence is not, its going to start at 7 certainly no genius but way above any animal, it can also speak any language the summoner can. You can raise it's intelligence, but not lower it. So having an eidolon of animal intelligence is not really an option.
I meant genius for an animal, 7 would do fine. Something that isn't more intelligent than it's summoner :)
I envision him as much more of a protector, and friend. Possibly explaining his evolution as being a growing understanding and power of his summoner. Going from more of an animal like protector, to a adviser/warrior.
I'm torn between him starting as a quadruped and then moving to Bipedal. Or starting bipedal etc.
quadruped can't move to bipedal. if you want a biped that's how you have to start
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A J-Rokka said you can't swap forms.
Also, someone suggested you start with the flight evo but you can't get that until 5th level. I would suggest you focus on damage output at low levels.
If the angelic form is important to you then start with biped. You might consider starting with a strength ability increase. Natural Armor Bonus or Bite are good second choice.
the form of your eidolon and the relationship your summoner has with your eidolon is entirely up to you.
Its intelligence is not, its going to start at 7 certainly no genius but way above any animal, it can also speak any language the summoner can. You can raise it's intelligence, but not lower it. So having an eidolon of animal intelligence is not really an option.
I meant genius for an animal, 7 would do fine. Something that isn't more intelligent than it's summoner :)
I envision him as much more of a protector, and friend. Possibly explaining his evolution as being a growing understanding and power of his summoner. Going from more of an animal like protector, to a adviser/warrior.
I'm torn between him starting as a quadruped and then moving to Bipedal. Or starting bipedal etc.
You cant switch base forms, that is permanent. You could possibly add limbs to go from biped to quadraped (sort of) but now you have a catterpillar looking thing with hands, and well, thats not really angelic looking (in my opinion ofcourse).
You cant switch base forms, that is permanent. You could possibly add limbs to go from biped to quadraped (sort of) but now you have a catterpillar looking thing with hands, and well, thats not really angelic looking (in my opinion ofcourse).the form of your eidolon and the relationship your summoner has with your eidolon is entirely up to you.
Its intelligence is not, its going to start at 7 certainly no genius but way above any animal, it can also speak any language the summoner can. You can raise it's intelligence, but not lower it. So having an eidolon of animal intelligence is not really an option.
I meant genius for an animal, 7 would do fine. Something that isn't more intelligent than it's summoner :)
I envision him as much more of a protector, and friend. Possibly explaining his evolution as being a growing understanding and power of his summoner. Going from more of an animal like protector, to a adviser/warrior.
I'm torn between him starting as a quadruped and then moving to Bipedal. Or starting bipedal etc.
Or mine.
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If you start with a quadruped with a 'foo dog / foo lion' look, at 5th level, you can add the wings and tweak the appearance to be more of a lammasu / shedu / celestial androsphinx look, keeping with the celestial quadruped theme.
If you go with Sarenrae, a bipedal 'angel' could have more of an exotic look and even have multiple arms, being some sort of 'angel of war' using scimitars in her four arms, like a fusion of a persian sword-dancing dervish and a multi-limbed Hindu godddess. Less 'angel' and more 'celestial warrior genie,' perhaps. A less benevolent entity could resemble a marrush (flying gnoll archer with plague arrows), and still represent a servant of a good god(dess), just one of those less fun-to-be-around avenging angel sorts, who rain righteous judgement down upon the heads of the unworthy.
For a gold dragon-esque eidolon, you could start from a quadrupedal form (pantherish, at first, with vestigial wings), or a serpentine form (which would better suit the 1st edition gold dragons, which looked more like flying serpents than 'dragons').
A serpentine form also works if you want an eidolon that takes on a Coutl-like (or Lillendi) appearance as levels accrue, with the serpent-to-lillendi being the most likely way to go from a serpentine form to an 'angelic' form without making eyebrows flutter.
Whichever you choose, Flight isn't available until 5th level, so any wings will be decorative, until then.
IMO, the bipedal angel (who may or may not become a four-armed diva of destruction) or the quadruped-turned-gold/silver-dragon are the most iconic images. I'm not sure how the 'foo dog / foo lion - lammasu / celestial androsphinx' thing would work out, visually.