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Could someone please confirm how to add together a multi-classed monk's Flurry of Blows BAB.
Example:
Monk lvl 8 (+6/+6/+1/+1), Fighter lvl 5 (+5)
If I understand this correctly now, the monk's flurry BAB would be +8/+8/+3, -2 for Two Weapon Fighting, equalling +6/+6/+1. Then add fighter BAB +5, to give you +11/+11/+6/+1. At 8th level you gain the Improved Two Weapon Fighting quality, now changing your attacks to +11/+11/+6/+6/+1.
I just wanted to confirm that this would be the proper way to add the BAB's together, rather than just adding the numbers to get +11/+11/+6/+6.
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Monk 8 = BAB 8.
Fighter 5 = BAB 5.
Added = 13.
This means you have three attacks in a full attack, at +13, +8, and +3.
Flurry acts as Two Weapon Fighting, giving you a second attack at +13. Improved Two Weapon Fighting gives you a second attack at +8. All Two Weapon Fighting attacks take a -2.
So yes, you get +11/+6/+1 with your main hand and +11/+6 with your off hand.
Wouldn't that mean that any fighter can just dip a level into monk to get full flurry of blows for his entire career? I know it only works very specifically (no armor and only certain weapons/unarmed) but it doesn't seem right. I am thinking you could make a crazy duelist with this.
Wouldn't that mean that any fighter can just dip a level into monk to get full flurry of blows for his entire career? I know it only works very specifically (no armor and only certain weapons/unarmed) but it doesn't seem right. I am thinking you could make a crazy duelist with this.
Dear God... this is the neverending question, isn't it?
No he wouldn't. He would get 1 extra attack only.
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Wouldn't that mean that any fighter can just dip a level into monk to get full flurry of blows for his entire career? I know it only works very specifically (no armor and only certain weapons/unarmed) but it doesn't seem right. I am thinking you could make a crazy duelist with this.
As Xum said, you only get one extra attack at 1st level in Monk. You do not get the second and third attacks in a flurry until 8th and 15th level as a Monk. A 1st level Monk/Xth level Fighter would never get the extra attacks in a flurry.
Wouldn't that mean that any fighter can just dip a level into monk to get full flurry of blows for his entire career? I know it only works very specifically (no armor and only certain weapons/unarmed) but it doesn't seem right. I am thinking you could make a crazy duelist with this.
A one level dip into the monk class can be a big benefit to a fighter who is willing to use monk weapons for a couple of reasons:
1. FoB doesn't have an "unarmored" restriction. A F/Monk can use it anytime, as long as he or she is using suitable weapons or an unarmed attack.
2. Attacks with FoB can be made with the same weapon. You get the benefit of TWF without having to enchant multiple weapons.
3. As long as you use FoB, you essentially get full BAB, altho this does not apply to single attacks or attacks with non-monk weapons.
4. Saves! Saves! Saves!
5. And some nice class skills like Perception, Sense Motive, and Stealth.
Edit: So, yes. Take some time to study the martial traditions of other cultures, and you, too, can become a better warrior, err, fighter.
Wouldn't that mean that any fighter can just dip a level into monk to get full flurry of blows for his entire career? I know it only works very specifically (no armor and only certain weapons/unarmed) but it doesn't seem right. I am thinking you could make a crazy duelist with this.A one level dip into the monk class can be a big benefit to a fighter who is willing to use monk weapons for a couple of reasons:
1. FoB doesn't have an "unarmored" restriction. A F/Monk can use it anytime, as long as he or she is using suitable weapons or an unarmed attack.
2. Attacks with FoB can be made with the same weapon. You get the benefit of TWF without having to enchant multiple weapons.
3. As long as you use FoB, you essentially get full BAB, altho this does not apply to single attacks or attacks with non-monk weapons.
4. Saves! Saves! Saves!
5. And some nice class skills like Perception, Sense Motive, and Stealth.
Good thinking.
Good thinking.
Thanks! I forgot one, tho:
6. While using FoB, you basically get the Double Slice feat for free.
One big caveat, tho. Monk. Weapons. Suck. The temple sword is, as far as I can tell, the only PF monk weapon that does more than 1d6. And it looks funny.
And it looks funny.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one, hahahaha.
Focus on high Str and use heavy armor for AC, and they'll be dead before they can laugh at your funny sword. :)
Yep! Dead on.
20pt build:
Str 16+2=18
Dex 14
Con 14
Breastplate + Kilt = +7
Heavy Shield = +2
Dex bonus = +2
Sheild Focus = +1
Dodge = +1
F1/Monk1 AC 23 with two attacks at full BAB and full Str bonus (+4) with funny looking sword.
Come get some!
PS: And what exactly does a sheath for that thing look like?
Ooopsy, forgot another one:
7. BAR FIGHTS!!! Two attacks at 1d6 with full str. bonus. And you get an AoO against anyone who doesn't have Imp. Unarmed strike.
"What did you say about my sword and kilt?" KaPow! Bam! "And one more for your lack of training in the Martial Arts." Slap! "Say goodnight, Gracie."
Sorry if this is another "neverending question", but I did do a search on the temple sword and haven't found any explicit ruling on proficiency with it. My gut says that a monk still needs to take Exotic WP to use it.
Sorry if this is another "neverending question", but I did do a search on the temple sword and haven't found any explicit ruling on proficiency with it. My gut says that a monk still needs to take Exotic WP to use it.
Hmmm. I'm pretty sure that monks are proficient with new weapons that have the "monk" special quality. Kinda the way fighters are automatically proficient with new martial weapons. I could be wrong, tho.
I might have to pick one of those up then when we start Kingmaker in a couple weeks. I would think that any other monk weapon would be hardly ever used then.
Sorry if this is another "neverending question", but I did do a search on the temple sword and haven't found any explicit ruling on proficiency with it. My gut says that a monk still needs to take Exotic WP to use it.Hmmm. I'm pretty sure that monks are proficient with new weapons that have the "monk" special quality. Kinda the way fighters are automatically proficient with new martial weapons. I could be wrong, tho.
Other than the problem of it requiring an exotic proficiency feat, no they wouldn't.
See what I mean he he ;P
I might have to pick one of those up then when we start Kingmaker in a couple weeks. I would think that any other monk weapon would be hardly ever used then.
Well, it's a trip weapon, whereas others are disarm and sunder and whatnot, so a monk focusing on a different special attack might want a different weapon.
@TriO: So you're of the opinion that even monks need an EWP to use a temple sword?
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@TriO: So you're of the opinion that even monks need an EWP to use a temple sword?
Sorry, I missed the earlier statement of the question.
After reviewing it twice now, I say yes they do. If the Monk weapon proficiencies list had said 'all monk weapons' then they would be proficient with the temple sword, as it is a monk weapon. Instead, the list has each weapon spelled out, and temple sword is not one of them.
This could be because it's not in the core rulebook, but RAW they are not proficient. Me personally, I would not mind letting them have it.
Based on the description of the Bich'hwa, it seems that a monk may be proficient with the temple sword, but cannot flurry with it.
This weapon is a special monk weapon for the use of flurry of blows and other monk abilities.
The quoted portion does not appear in the temple sword description.
Edit:
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a f lurry of blows (see Chapter 3).
I think a lack of consistency leads to confusion. This description says that any monk can use the weapon for flurry of blows, but that doesn't mean that the monk is automatically proficient with it.
Think it's worth starting a new thread in hopes of official clarification?
It is a good point that the temple sword seems superior to all other monk weapons.
Think it's worth starting a new thread in hopes of official clarification?
It is a good point that the temple sword seems superior to all other monk weapons.
I was thinking that. But it is bedtime for me.
Based on the description of the Bich'hwa, it seems that a monk may be proficient with the temple sword, but cannot flurry with it.
This weapon is a special monk weapon for the use of flurry of blows and other monk abilities.The quoted portion does not appear in the temple sword description.
Edit:
Monk: A monk weapon can be used by a monk to perform a f lurry of blows (see Chapter 3).I think a lack of consistency leads to confusion. This description says that any monk can use the weapon for flurry of blows, but that doesn't mean that the monk is automatically proficient with it.
In the PFCS it says, "A temple sword is a monk special weapon. This gives a monk wielding a temple sword special options," but there isn't a description of it in the Adventurer's Armory. Does "special options" = FoB?