Moved to the appropriate forum.
If a wizard finds a scroll or spellbook they can copy spells out of it paying the appropriate costs and taking the appropriate amount of time as detailed on page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. A wizard does not need to purchase spells found during a scenario in order to then pay the copy-to-spellbook costs.
Copying scrolls into spellbooks works the same way as it does in the Core Rulebook.
Witches do not have to pay for the scroll found. Teaching it functions just as noted in the APG playtest document.
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Ok I am way new to the PFS and RPG's as a whole. I was hoping to find some clarification in the forums for wizards spell books but I am having a hard time finding the answers. This thread seems to be the closest to my questions.
1) If there are two Wizards, does only one get to scribe the scroll for free (minus the ink costs)?
In PFS everybody at the table gets access to each item as it appears on their chronicle sheet. Therefore both wizards get a to potentially memorize it (for just the spell scribing cost).
2) I am a second level wiz. During my scenario we found a scroll of lightning bolt. When I am high enough level to cast it will I have to buy the scroll or do I get it for free because it is in my chronicle?
At the end of that adventure you get a chance to scribe it with your level 2 spellcraft score since there are no rules limitations regarding scribing high level spells into your spellbook. If you fail though you will have to buy the scroll once you hit level 3 should you wish to try scribing the scroll again.
Please forgive any problems with this post spelling wise. I did this entirely from my phone.
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1) If there are two Wizards, does only one get to scribe the scroll for free (minus the ink costs)?2) I am a second level wiz. During my scenario we found a scroll of lightning bolt. When I am high enough level to cast it will I have to buy the scroll or do I get it for free because it is in my chronicle?
I am sure these questions have been answered; I am just having a difficult time finding them. I thank you for your help in advance.
I think this thread covers both your questions. But seems to be at odds with MisterSlanky's answer to #2. Also this thread seems to further confuse the issue?
1) Two wizards, one scroll is ok.
2) You do not have to pay purchase cost of the scroll during the scenario or after to make your scribe attempt.
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1) Two wizards, one scroll is ok.
2) You do not have to pay purchase cost of the scroll during the scenario or after to make your scribe attempt.
I'm more than happy to stand corrected. My primary PFS character is a wizard and to say this would be handy is nothing less than an understatement.
I always read "or after" as "after the scenario is done and you're finishing paperwork" and what's written in the OP guide and in that thread would appear to support that supposition. Now I'm confused, thanks.
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I always read "or after" as "after the scenario is done and you're finishing paperwork" and what's written in the OP guide and in that thread would appear to support that supposition. Now I'm confused, thanks.
Me too. I thought I remembered a clear answer in a thread, which is what I was looking for (link #1) but then that 2nd thread (link #2) is dated after what I thought was the clear answer :)
Glad I'm not the only one confused ATM.
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I'm lurking in the background waiting for answers.
Being able to later scribe a scroll as long as it is on the chronicle sheet would mean you could scribe it despite having used it in the adventure (happened a few times with my wizard and I always bought the scroll later).
I wasn't aware I could write scroll above my level. Thanks for that info MrSlanky
Thod
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I wasn't aware I could write scroll above my level. Thanks for that info MrSlanky
Thod
I wanted to find the exact rule for you, but it's one of those "nowhere does it say you cannot scribe a higher level spell" kind of rules. The downside is that if you're trying to scribe a 5th level scroll at level 1 you're probably talking about only having a spellcraft roll of +8 against a DC of 20 on a spell you can't even use. If you wait until level 9 when you can actually use it that spellcraft roll increases to roughly +18.
This is what it says on page 20 of the Guide:
Wizards and Their Spellbooks
Pages 219–220 in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook
clearly discuss how to handle a wizard’s spellbook,
but Pathfinder Society makes one adjustment
to these rules: a wizard does not have to purchase a
scroll found during the course of a scenario in order
to copy that scroll into his spellbook. A wizard only
needs to spend the time, succeed on the appropriate
checks, and spend the gold necessary per the table on
page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. Keep in
mind that the process of copying a spell from a magic
scroll into a wizard’s spellbook removes the spell
from the copied scroll, resulting in a blank piece of
normal parchment.
The normal rules for finding items during the
course of a scenario are that they can be used during
the scenario but must be purchased after the scenario
in order to be kept. This clarification for wizards and
their spellbooks is the singular exception to the gear
rules. See Chapter 9 for the full rules on finding items
and treasure.
The intent is as follows:
During the course of the scenario, meaning before the table adjourns, a wizard has the opportunity to scribe found scrolls into his spellbook. He needs to make the appropriate roll per pages 219-220 of the Core Rulebook with his GM present. Because failure at this check does not kill the scroll, the wizard can then buy the scroll and try again later.
This means he can't try to scribe the lightning bolt scroll without purchase six chronicles later. There seems to be a mix of the "when can I buy items off my chronicle sheet?" question and the "when can a wizard scribe a scroll found?" question.
I'll clarify this in the next update of the Guide.
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This is what it says on page 20 of the Guide:
Wizards and Their Spellbooks
Pages 219–220 in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook
clearly discuss how to handle a wizard’s spellbook,
but Pathfinder Society makes one adjustment
to these rules: a wizard does not have to purchase a
scroll found during the course of a scenario in order
to copy that scroll into his spellbook. A wizard only
needs to spend the time, succeed on the appropriate
checks, and spend the gold necessary per the table on
page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. Keep in
mind that the process of copying a spell from a magic
scroll into a wizard’s spellbook removes the spell
from the copied scroll, resulting in a blank piece of
normal parchment.
The normal rules for finding items during the
course of a scenario are that they can be used during
the scenario but must be purchased after the scenario
in order to be kept. This clarification for wizards and
their spellbooks is the singular exception to the gear
rules. See Chapter 9 for the full rules on finding items
and treasure.The intent is as follows:
During the course of the scenario, meaning before the table adjourns, a wizard has the opportunity to scribe found scrolls into his spellbook. He needs to make the appropriate roll per pages 219-220 of the Core Rulebook with his GM present. Because failure at this check does not kill the scroll, the wizard can then buy the scroll and try again later.
This means he can't try to scribe the lightning bolt scroll without purchase six chronicles later. There seems to be a mix of the "when can I buy items off my chronicle sheet?" question and the "when can a wizard scribe a scroll found?" question.
I'll clarify this in the next update of the Guide.
I read over this several times while thread digging and personally would find it much clearer if:
a wizard does not have to purchase a scroll found during the course of a session in order to copy that scroll into his spellbook. After the session adjourns, normal treasure purchase rules apply as detailed in Chapter 9.
Thanks for the clarification!
Good point! Noted!
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Almost Palyodoom,
Q1) If there are two Wizards, does only one get to scribe the scroll for free (minus the ink costs)?
A1) No, all wizards may scribe a scroll (without purchasing the scroll) found during the course of a session.
"A wizard does not have to purchase a scroll found during the course of a session in order to copy that scroll into his spellbook. After the session adjourns, normal treasure purchase rules apply as detailed in Chapter 9."[Zizazat]
Absolutely correct. Everybody gets equal access to all items found on their chronicle sheet, so every wizard gets access to the scroll for scribing purposes.
Q2) I am a second level wiz. During my scenario we found a scroll of lightning bolt. When I am high enough level to cast it will I have to buy the scroll or do I get it for free because it is in my chronicle?
A2) No you may not scribe this scroll for free. You cannot scribe a scroll you are not eligible to cast. "After the session adjourns, normal treasure purchase rules apply as detailed in Chapter 9."[ Zizazat]
Almost but not quite correct. There is no rule against copying a spell you are unable to cast into your spellbook. This means your level 2 character could scribe the scroll of lightning bold during the scenario, he just couldn't cast it until he hit level 5.
A more appropriate example would have been:
Q2) I am a second level wizard and I attempt to copy the scroll of lightning bolt into my spellbook at the end of the scenario while completing my chronicle sheet. I fail my spellcraft check and cannot copy the scroll at this time. When I gain a level, will I have to buy the scroll or do I get it for free because it is on my chronicle?
A2) No you may not scribe this scroll for free. At any point after the session adjourns, you may purchase the scroll for the normal cost and attempt to scribe it normally. "After the session adjourns, normal treasure purchase rules apply as detailed in Chapter 9."
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Thank you MR.Slanky,
When I was arguing with the other wizard that we both could scribe the scroll, the GM shut us down by saying it didn't matter cause neither one of us could scribe it due being unable to cast it. So really we both should have been able to scribe lightning bolt into our spell books as long as we made the DC 18 spell craft check (and the arcane writing check? DC 23)
That brings up another question if we fail the Writing check does that mean we failed it completely for that session? OR are we allowed to sit there and wait the in game days to pass the writing check.
Sorry for being annoying and thanks again.
Paly
You're not being annoying. It's taken me a fair amount of time digging and cross referencing to figure out how the Wizard works.
It winds up the situation is even better than you thought.
Under normal circumstances you need to "decipher the writing" to know what's on a scroll. This requires a DC 20 + [spell level] check to do. We're playing society though, so all items we find at the end of the session are identified. This means that at the end, there is no need to decipher the writing.
So now you have the scroll deciphered, what do you do with it?
It's all on page 219 of the core rulebook.
A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard’s spellbook. No matter what the spell’s source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell’s level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.
If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. He cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until he gains another rank in Spellcraft. If the spell was from a scroll, a failed Spellcraft check does not cause the spell to vanish.
So according to this section, the only thing required to copy the spell into your spellbook is a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell level).
So in your instance, you may make a single spellcraft check at the end of the session to learn the spell that's on your chronicle (lightning bolt in this case). You then roll a spellcraft check. If you make a 18 or higher you scribe lightning bolt into your spellbook and spend 90gp on scribing costs. If you fail the roll, you do not scribe the spell in your spellbook and you spend nothing.
Let's say that this roll was done at level 3 and you failed. You may try again when your spellcraft goes up (such as for example at level 4). If you succeed you spend 465gp (375 scroll cost + 90 scribe cost), if you fail, you again try when you go up a rank in spellcraft (probably at level 5).
So according to this section, the only thing required to copy the spell into your spellbook is a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell level).
So in your instance, you may make a single spellcraft check at the end of the session to learn the spell that's on your chronicle (lightning bolt in this case). You then roll a spellcraft check. If you make a 18 or higher you scribe lightning bolt into your spellbook and spend 90gp on scribing costs. If you fail the roll, you do not scribe the spell in your spellbook and you spend nothing.
Note that you should be able to "take 10" on this roll, since there's nothing forbidding it.
